Playing 3bet pots OOP (100NL 6max)

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Playing 3bet pots OOP (100NL 6max)

Hi,

I played this hand yesterday which left me hating myself for a while.


100NL 6max (100 effective stacks)

Pre: Hero opens JcJs $3 in MP, BTN 3bets $9, Hero calls.

Flop: 9h8h2d ($20). 

Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero calls.

Turn: 9c ($44)

Hero checks, BTN bets $26 (leaving about $53 behind).

Hero....???


Villain is a good reg and is probably 3betting around 6% vs. me in these positions. (Is that about correct for a 3betting % BTN vs MP?) In villain's case, i think that would be a range of AA-QQ,AK, plus (a proportion of) ace high hands that aren't (obviously) worth a call and an occasional suited conn..

Generally speaking, i absolutely hate playing these 3bet pots OOP with a capped range. So i was wondering...

what do people's calling ranges look like PF? (how much does this vary based on postflop tendancies? do you often call AA or ever call KK/QQ/AK)

how do people play their range on this flop and turn(in this hand)?

does anyone have a donking range on any flop when playing a 3bet pot oop with a capped range?


I'm obviously willing to answer these questions myself but am guessing your opinions are more valid






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zooroaster 11 years ago

Do you think villain has a complete linear range vs you in his 6%? I think that dictates a lot here on how we proceed.


I honestly don't ever do this but could we consider leading OTT to guage villains range?  Its more than a "bet to see where we are at" since both our ranges are so strong.  Maybe we should only try this vs a different board texture where there could be in theory more draws...he more than likely would fold the bottom of his range, flat the middle, and raise the top...who knows though?

LanguidlyClinical 11 years ago

Its a polarized 3betting range.... ace high that arent worth a call.

i doubt donking the turn is a sound line as it compels villain to play perfectly. JJ seems like a bluffcatcher vs. villains range so why would we bet it? Villain has no value hands that are behind JJ.

I think villain should respond to a turn donk by shoving all in with a balanced range of value and bluffs because his range has more very strong hands. Not entirely sure why i think that...


PT 11 years ago

hate this spot soooooo bad. I think maybe just call to set mind and x/f flop would be my line if you think his range is that strong or x/r flop if you think its an ax hand. if you x/r and he 4bets he has u crushed a lot so fold.

LanguidlyClinical 11 years ago

will have a look but i doubt setmining is profitable vs this polar range.

CRing to find out where you are has got to be bad...its not a reason to raise.

LanguidlyClinical 11 years ago

i think turn and riv are either check calls or check folds depending on barrelling tendancies of villain. I guess its a fairly bad flop for our range and leaves us with a poor distribution of equity

temati 11 years ago

turn isn`t perfect card for opponent and he wouldn`t bet turn with dros like KQhh, AQhh, AKhh, any Axhh or some connectors, that is why we can donk turn - he wouldn`t shove his overpairs cause we can easily have 9x. And i think that we can donk 9x and TT or JJ on such board, and ch/c nfd ,+ ch/r weker fd, or some times fulls or 9x (all depends of opponent)

LanguidlyClinical 11 years ago

how much 9x would you have in your range? i think i wouldn't have any.i think i'd have one combo of quads and nothing else which could beat villains overpairs.

But what is the point of a turn donk? What are you getting value from? Possibly 1 combo of a8.

Seems like villain can double+ triple any old garbage given the responses in this thread. But no-one wants to talk about PF ranges so it's difficult to tell. 

Cosme Fulanito 11 years ago

with that turn I dont think he will 2nd barrel so often, with his air. I would x/f turn here or if he is aggresive enough I would x/c and x/c river no ace.

RaoulFlush 11 years ago

Yeah agree on XF turn...Its quite important that we hold JJ here, what blocks his semibluffingrange quite decent (JT/QJ stuff) and its really the worst card in the deck for firing another barrel with air...So we´re usually way behind or somewhat slightly ahead (most FD´s include overs and still have decent equity OTT vs JJ)

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