Players being too tight
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Players being too tight
Hello. I'm a microstakes cashgame grinder that used to be a sitngo player. Played little bit of everything but lately fully switched to cashgames and playing 5NL at the moment trying to move up asap. Here is a quite serious problem I'm encountering. In all the videos I watched QQ and AK are pretty standard stack offs in middle/late positions vs almost anyone. At microstakes however I feel like I hardly ever run into a worse hand. Players seem to be pretty careful with which hands they are stacking with however still 3bet and even 4bet bluffing sometimes. I tried two strategies. The first being to always stack off with AK QQ and the second to pretty much just flat 80% of the time. I do not use a HUD ( obviously $$$ problems ) so I'm playing pretty blind and it's tough to figure out which one is more profitable. Anyone with good experience at these stakes that can share their opinion?
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Yeah without reads on specific villains, I assume a 4B range of KK+ from EP, but CO-BB GII with AK/KK+ plus is fine. I'd still 3B those hands still as players flat a lot of 3Bs but just overfold to 4Bs as villains rarely bluff or 4b worse.
See, I've written about this topic before but nobody seems to be too concerned because let's face it: Once you get out of this hellhole known as the micros, who wants to revisit it?
You can not just be stacking off with QQ @ 2 - 10NL. Further, they're not just generally doing this in any videos that you're watching. They're picking spots against weak players with wide stack off ranges. It all depends on your range, villain's range, his previous tendencies, and stack sizes. If the guy has 27 bb's and you 3b him and he shoves - Obviously you GII with QQ. If you're on the BTN and you 3b UTG's 3x open and he 4b shoves, you're virtually NEVER GII with QQ or AK. There are no set stack off ranges or hands. Everything is situational.
The guys you see stacking off with 100+ BB's preflop @ 5NL holding AKo, just don't know what they're doing. Let's say you had 2 shoves in front of you and you're holding AKs, so basically you need 25% pot odds to call and you're getting 3:1 on your money. Of course you GII. Once again, if you're holding AKo or AKs vs an EP shove, you're probably way behind and that's why you keep running into KK and AA. There is tons of material on this out there but very little of it focuses on the nuances of micros play to the extent that it should. The only site that I've found which does is PokerStrategy.com, where I have a Gold sub currently.
The other thing you need to realize is that you're not just either GII or folding when in 3b situations with these holdings. You need to have a 3b calling range of about 40-45%. You're missing a ton of value by not seeing 3b pot flops with QQ and AK. That's where the true value of these hands lies - Post flop and preflop against weak ranges. Not just across the board, GII preflop play.
"I've never, ever heard of someone advocating calling virtually half of the time they're 3b. Have you ever played the micros, or just higher stakes? Your advice just seems like it's not applicable to 2NL today."
- Josef F(SetMineUrAss) July 10th 2017
https://forum.redchippoker.com/discussion/8636/wpn-2nl-stats-during-downswing/p1
"The other thing you need to realize is that you're not just either GII or folding when in 3b situations with these holdings. You need to have a 3b calling range of about 40-45%."
-SetMineUrAss July 15th 2017
What happened ? You changed your mind on good advices that were given to you ?
Really, dude. Get a life. I can't believe you're still monitoring my posts LOL. Think about all of the time you've spent on me in the past couple of weeks and how I don't even consider you unless I'm responding to one of your posts lol.
If he has a calling range of 40%, he folds 60% of 3bets. You advocated calling 50%. Dat called Maf. In reality, @ 2NL, even 40% is too much. You're giving advice to micros players that doesn't help them beat their stakes. That's just a fact. Now go away. Nobody is going to sign up for your site no matter what you say or do here. RCP is RIP.
If he has a calling range of 40%, he folds 60% of 3bets.
This is wrong, you are still going to 4bet some hands.
Folding 50/55% to 3B is pretty standard.
And i never advocate calling 50%. Do you want me to post your quote again ?
And again, again, i'm not a owner of RCP why is that so hard to understand? Maybe now i understand why you can't beat NL2.
from MP open+ i think stacking off QQ plus is not bad at all, unless specific reads, at 5nl ive seen players get it in many times with a lot worse,
if i can give you any advice get a HUD
Don't get it in with Russian 4tabling zoom from utg. Flat their ep open.
Do get it in vs the 1 tabling Australian with 86bb.
This is a stat read you can get without a HUD.
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