NL25: linecheck - squeezing 86s OTB
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NL25: linecheck - squeezing 86s OTB
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
SB: $25.00
BB: $27.71
UTG: $32.64
MP: $25.00
CO: $28.51
BN: $25.25 (Hero)
BB: $27.71
UTG: $32.64
MP: $25.00
CO: $28.51
BN: $25.25 (Hero)
UTG 25/14, 60 hands
CO 31/25, 60 hands
F3bet: 0/3
CO 31/25, 60 hands
F3bet: 0/3
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is BN with
6
8
, , , , , ,
Flop
($6.80)
A
2
2
, , ,
Turn
($18.80)
A
2
2
T
,
River
($18.80)
A
2
2
T
A
,
Final Pot
CO wins $17.95
Rake is $0.85
Rake is $0.85
Just trying to double check my play on any steet really.
Is preflop ok given that the opener is on the tight side? I felt like this is just barely not good enough to call so I went for the squeeze. Might still be a call or maybe even a fold though?!
Flop cbet should be fairly std I assume and facing a raise I just took the odds and called. Not sure what to put him on really. Most of the time it's probably sth like AQ going for a weird and suspicous looking line I assume.
Do you agree on checking this down then? I could bet the turn because I have no SDvalue and will lose the pot every single time ui, but I don't think I can get many folds out of his range so I decided to just take my equity.
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I would fold it preflop.
- tight opener as you said on UTG. And if there is another player in the pot its double problem. If CO have same stats on UTG his cold calling range is not gonna be capped as hard as normally coz he's gonna CC a lot of strong hands vs. tight opener.
- you have small samplesize on your opponents - so propably no reads/stats samples which is no good considering that their folding frequences are not gonna be high enough.
- weak hand equitywise.
The question is - do we have bluff 3bet range ever in this spot?
The reason why I squeezed this hand is mostly to profit preflop. I wouldn't have done it if CO wasn't in the pot but my general assumption is that UTG will overfold facing a 3bet and being sandwiched and that CO generates a lot of dead money as well due to his wide CC range. I could be convinced that it's too loose or that I should maybe just overcall and leverage my position on a lot of runouts but I don't think it's terrible either.
And yes, I definitely do wanna have a bluff squeezing range in this spot. It's just that squeezing down to 86s might ramp up my frequencies by too much.
Preflop looks a bit lose, UTG only has a RFI of 14 and you hand is pretty weak.
OTF it looks standard, he doesn't rep much because he should never raise Ax here and he probably doesn't have a 2. We can make a case for shoving because of that but I don't think it's really good because he can have FD (always better), we can't be sure he fold Ax here if he is bad and if he is bluffing I except him to shutdown OTT when we call. I would be more inclied to shove with KQcc as we dominate his FD
OTT when he checks, I think I would just shove, our hand doesn't have SDV, we can rep AQ+ pretty easily and if it's a give up I don't mind taking the pot right now. Plus if we brik and he has something like AJ he will probably never fold if we bet. If he raises with something like KQcc I also except him to just shove OTT, X/C doesn't make much sense for him so I think our outs are safe.
As played, nothing you can do OTR.
Interesting that you are so confident in him having nothing that you wanna go to the felt with an 8 high FD. I agree that his line doesn't really make any sense with Ax or any hand really, but I wouldn't rely that hard on the average NL25 player with these stats to know and follow these rules. In the end he might still go for this line with AQ just because he expects me to get suspicious or sth. The argument of shoving being better vs higher FDs is also quite fair though.
In the end I felt like I have more than enough hands to defend vs his line on this flop so I went for the more passive line with less variance.
I don't think shoving turn is that bad though, especially with that low of a draw.
Def. worth to see a free river. Villain shouldnt check turn with air and then shove when the 2nd ace hits. So getting one more street of information about his hand helps and you can shove river if he checks twice to you.
he can have plan about two times x/raise (flop and turn) and on river he go for small value bet
I think he can be going for a X/C OTR with a hand like Ax (because he is scared of hero having AK/AQ which is a good part of our range) and so we are just shoving with 0 equity when we miss. As I said I also except him to shove his draws and don't go for a X/CAI (which make no real sense) OTT so our outs are probably safe. You also let him the possibility of rebluff you OTR or to hit something with for example a hand like KQo which is just trying to have a free card OTT and might hit a K, Q, J OTR. I prefer shoving the turn with equity, with a range uncapped and against a check which looks pretty weak (even if he can have some strong hands that are not folding but that can also go for a X/C OTR)
don't usually squeeze here fwiw but I think postflop is fine
+1.
squeeze preflop is likely not good. Flop is std. Turn....I mean I dont know, I still wanna bet this hand. I know that we have exactly one PSB behind. And checking thus doesnt really cap our range etc etc. I still think that we get a lot of folds. Which is just my experience, I have no idea which hands do people play this way.
b/f like 3$ is also an option fwiw
pre probably bad but post flop seems fine. maybe bet at least 1/2 pot otf but prob doesn't matter.
he most likely had AK
Do you non-squeezers then fold or call pre with the odds given and position?
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