PIO simplification
Posted by Rene
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PIO simplification
Hi i heard that most high-stakes players use 1 size on flop 2 on turn and 3 on the river for simplification reasons. Can someone tell me good parameters for my 3b and srp solves?
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1 sizing on the flop is good. This size will depend on the flop / positions / actions though. So a lot of the time you can get away with using just 30% or 70% + check. The best way to work this out is use a PIO subset of flops, run a script for the spot you are looking at and see what it recommends, then simplify it and look at the EV loss.
On the turn, you really need to have an overbet size and a smaller size. I tend to use 30, 70, 150 for turns and rivers. You can simplify that to 60, 150 on turns without too much of an EV loss, but in 3bet pots the block size is used fairly regularly.
The river I think you need to use the three, again I use 30, 70, 150. As long as you have a block and an overbet size you can change those a bit without any EV loss.
The most important thing is the strategy rather than the sizings. Understand your game plan and the sizings you are using on different flops / turns and you will do well whatever sizings you use (within some reason). If I was using 4 sizings on each street but a much better player was only allowed check and 50%, I would still get crushed.
Thx for your answer so in 3 b pots i will choose 1 size on flop (turn 33,75,125) ,(river 33,75,125 ) and srp 1 size flop (turn 75,125), river (33,75,125) think that should be fine? And 1 more question when i compare the ev do you mean i basically run the solve with 2 sizes on flop and see what he prefers and than run the solve again with the prefered size or do i have to run the solve with 1 size then with the 2nd size and compare the ev of the strategies, and than run the solve again with the higher ev of the 2 1 size strategies? But in 3b pots oop , the pot to stack ratio is kinda fucked up when 4x the open when using 75 % on flop ,i think its better to choose between 30% and 50 % there and compare the ev isnt it?
I just want to preface this by saying I am not an expert at all on this stuff so I am just speaking from my own experience. So hopefully others can come in and confirm or correct me.
Yeah the sizes you have listed for 3BPs and SRPs sound absolutely fine. I would generally just run it with both sizes, then see which it prefers the most and then use that size as long as the EV difference isn't huge. There are flops where it is going to be evenly split between sizes, then it is tougher to simplify and you have to decide whether to use a 2 sizing strategy or possibly forfeit some EV. As long as your strategy is good, whatever reasonable sizing you use will be fine.
In 3BPs from the work I have done is that we really want a big sizing as the 3bettor. We will generally always have an EV advantage because of the overpairs in our range so on a lot of boards we will want to pile money in on the flop and turn and make the hand a 2 street game leveraging our overpair advantage. You should just have a look, 3BPs run quite quickly so you can experiment for different sizings and see what the solver prefers.
in 3b pots oop on j lower pio prefers a bigger size , but it feels so weird having a 2 street game there betting 75% on flop and than overpot jamming the turn , thats why i prefer a 50% flop bet 3 street game strategy but not sure how to handle those spots correctly :O anyway thanks for ur answer, hope others can give there input aswell on this forum.
maybe on low board 3bpot for good ip range,small size is invalid bet,IP player can ez call or other action,
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