Overpair BvB
Posted by Rakki Otoko
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Rakki Otoko
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Overpair BvB
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: $35.13
SB: $31.15
BB: $29.45 (Hero)
UTG: $86.99
MP: $21.78
CO: $12.15
SB: $31.15
BB: $29.45 (Hero)
UTG: $86.99
MP: $21.78
CO: $12.15
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is BB with
J
J
, , ,
Flop
($4.00)
5
5
6
, ,
Turn
($7.50)
5
5
6
4
, , ,
i still think i should bet for value against some draw hands and all over pairs
should this be a check back when the bored gets more connected
is this a spot to just call off
should this be a check back when the bored gets more connected
is this a spot to just call off
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It is a tough spot, it's seems like a random 5 or a really marginal hand, I stick to fold most of the time, btw you can check sometimes the turn here
I like checking turn and bluffcatching/value betting river
I don't like folding, but at the same time I don't like calling, too.
Does mid pocket pairs 77-TT tends to X/R this flop for protection/denying equity?
Does sets tends to XR this turn afraid of check backs OTR?
Does the villain has 87s combos playing passive OTF oop?
To avoid this and make easier decisions, you may check back this turn and B/F or bluffcatch the river. At the same time, you're strenghtening your X'ing back range.
yeah seems like the play would be to check back the turn and call most rivers
What's up with the mini 3b pre?
min 3B ?? he made it 3x i made it 8x
JJ still has a decent amount of incentive to bet here OTT. When raised ya sure its gross but thats a seperate decision but don t check so as to avoid a tough spot. Idk how ranges interact exactly here on this turn but seems to me that its around 88-99 that betting becomes more of a merge and maybe we check. JJ has lots of value from 77-TT and values proctection.
Sb vs BB 3bet pot I don't think that JJ has to bet the turn to deny equity, as its very unlikely that SB has two over cards. we would like to see that part of villain check folding Range hit the muck but I would guess that AQ+ would most likely be in a 4bet Range pre. I think we could bet other parts of our Range here OTT like you mentioned 88-TT and fold to a raise. I like checking back JJ-QQ here in a vacuum at a high frequency.
JJ definitely has value at the turn and you will be able to barrel one more if K/Q/T/9 comes OTR. I think you can make turn bet even bigger with the intention of checking back the river if different card comes out. SB should be calling with A highs such as A3s, A7s, A8s, AQ, AJ, AT. Otherwise SB is undercalling and you'll be printing money with bluffs. While folding JJ is tough decision, you do have FH, straight, and 5. and so against such big raise, you can comfortable fold JJ. QQ will be marginal calling/folding hand.
i like what your saying i dont think there is any difference between JJ and QQ in this spot i dont think many if any players are flatting QQ+ BvB
There is a difference though. QQ beats and unblocks JJ which is conceivable that players flat pre and then jam turn cause they don t know what to do.
As WM2k said, he could be taking a weird line with JJ or worse if he's not the experienced player. But yes - I agree with that generally QQ is just as good as JJ on this spot as they neither play the role of value-blocker nor bluff-blocker.
I was saying in terms of how much we should be defending our range in order to not get run over by our villain's potential bluffs. I thought it'd be a good idea to call just little more than 1/2 of your value range and in that regard the borderline is somewhere in your QQ.
If we are talking about blockers, I think good blocker decisions are: call with 88(block 87s), fold KK(block K7s), fold AdAs(blocking A3s, A7s while not blocking A5s).
AcAh is good to call as it blocks both of A5s, but others are little tricky. They block one combo of A5s while blocking A3s, A7s.
One interesting question is, if you're villain in this hand, is it a good move to shove 5 or better on the turn? I have no clue... while being still open to the idea of shoving, I wouldn't do that personally at the moment because I think there's still merit on splitting the aggression into two streets as stack left is not too small. I'd raise smaller and shove river. However, I think shove's not the worst play, and if we're doing it it's better to do that with A5s than straight or fullhouse because A5s is hand that's worrying the most about getting rivered by draws. And thus I think AA except AdAs is working as heavy value blocker while blocking bluff lightly as well and so all good to call.
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