ok bluff OTR?

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ok bluff OTR?

https://www.weaktight.com/h/5721fe99d39043b2068b468a

felt like i get there with QT , but mb i cbet it, not sure,

on other hand feels like i have still some SDv but also block str8

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sauloCosta10 8 years, 8 months ago

This hand doesn't make any sense imo. You check back the flop like "I have showdown value" and then start bluffing the turn (?). What do you expect him to fold OTT? If you want to fold low pocket pairs you should bet the flop with your blockers to his Kx and backdoor draws. Once you check the flop turn is a clear check back imo. As played, you rep very few value hands. OTT you are betting Jx for value mainly and the 9d does not connect with such range, since you are not betting J9s OTT and K9s you bet the flop vs fish. So your line is either a QT hand that decided to check back the flop, so its discounted because you probably bet those OTF as well, or a bluff. So I'm not surprised villain bet/called with the T blocker. I would either triple this combo or check it down

Kuduku 8 years, 8 months ago

The first thought that entered my mind after reading the river was "is he trying to bluff a fish?"

Against a guy limp-calling you can just cbet your whole range, and then be done with it if they check-call flop unless you improve/value-bet imo.

You're getting way too fancy and out of line in this hand. The way villain can exploit your line is to not fold. And we all know which leak all fish have in common. So you're basically exploiting yourself here.

Kuduku 8 years, 8 months ago

wut? why

Against those guys I like to valuebet very thinly because I expect to get called often by very marginal holdings. Their check-calling range is very wide, and I expect a lot less fold equity on later streets once my cbet on the flop gets called. Yes, agreed, their range is weak but that doesn't mean you can just bluff them at will if they are prepared to call down with any piece of the board. Therefore I don't bluff much against most those guys.

May be wrong in some cases but so far this strategy works for me.
I isolate a lot less wide than other players in my pool, I have a balanced strong overlimping range, and therefore I don't get into too many spots where I feel compelled to bluff multiple streets against those players with my isoing range.
Perhaps if you have a massive isolation range like many regs you rely on barreling for fold equity against their weak ranges more than me so that might be one reason why you have different view.

I always have the impression that isolating very wide ranges is almost counter productive in a way because it makes bad players feel very uncomfortable, and they often leave the game because they feel they are getting owned too much, or change their way and start raising more, begin limp-reraising etc. Overlimping speculative hands has very similar EV to isolating, and most those hands I chose play well multiway so for me it works out. I think both strategies have merits.

Fwiw, I would sometimes overlimp AQ there.

But I like having a stronger range for isolating and retaining a deeper SPR with the speculative overlimping part of my range.

Sorry if I went on a tangent.

Maybe I am reading too much into it but whenever somebody responds to me with "wut?" I feel like I am stupid or missing something essential. Am I?

Mercurius 8 years, 8 months ago

River I think I bet often.
Turn call, maybee. I don't think I will always call.
River, why not, if you don't do it too often.

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