Nut flush facing tough river spot.
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Nut flush facing tough river spot.
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players)
BN: Mr.K Bond007: $8.75 (Hero)
SB: KisJohnny88: $8.76
BB: VincentVegAA: $5.97
UTG: Damjan991: $5.81
MP: sracia: $2.30
CO: pipecmolodec: $5.00
SB: KisJohnny88: $8.76
BB: VincentVegAA: $5.97
UTG: Damjan991: $5.81
MP: sracia: $2.30
CO: pipecmolodec: $5.00
Preflop
($0.07)
Mr.K Bond007 is BN with
K
T
, , , ,
I think since I'm suited I can call here profitably IP. No relevant stats or reads on this villain.
Flop
($0.85)
A
5
7
,
I can raise here sometimes but IP I think I can call. I think both options are fine.
Turn
($1.85)
A
5
7
J
, ,
I raised slightly smaller to have a good SPR for the river.
River
($7.65)
A
5
7
J
A
,
When SB shoves here, it's a tough spot because I feel I can only beat a bluff. He only has AJ and JJ as full houses,sometimes A7s A5s, and the rare AA. I think he can have 55 and 77 sometimes however I think villains at these stakes would call those SB vs BTN. Villain would almost never shove Ax here given I x/r when the flush hit. I'm not sure what kinds of bluffs villain can have. When I think about it now I guess this is a fold? However I have the nut flush so I feel compelled to call but I feel this is a fishy call given I can't beat his perceived value range.
Is it a easy fold on the river? Or since he really only has 5 value hands, AA, AJ, A7s, A5s, and JJ, I should just pay it off?
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No way im folding, I think your being driven by the results....
This is a slam dunk imo with all the Ax he could probably have.
His line looks on the aggressive side as well if he tables AA, AJ ( 7 combos) what ever,
Id still expect to see AK, AQ, ATs which is 16.
Like you said 55 and 77 are kind of unlikely but there is plenty of room for error there imo.
Wouldn't AK AQ ATs just x/c given I x/r when the flush came in and I'm repping a flush? I'm not so sure why AK AQ ATs would donk river when I check raised turn, however if it's something you've seen in lower stakes then I would call here all day. However if he's a reasonable guy his repping a full house OTR.
Also I guess he can have a worse flush sometimes however I feel like that would either 3bet get it in OTT or x/c river.
I think its very likely he see's the A come in and decides he is going with it.
Probably only need him to have 3-4 combos that we are ahead of, to break even here if we give him that range.
Ah I see, if thats how these villains think then I agree I would never fold here. However it's a pretty bad line if he has lone Ax cause I'll either have a good flush here or nut blocker or something like KQ with Ks or KJ with Ks. And all my bluffs I would fire anyways so if he shoves here I'm folding all my bluffs which he would've gotten my money if he checked and let me bluff.
Thanks for your feedback! :)
I realized he can have A7s and A5s sometimes which now makes me think it's an easier fold? Haha
What do you think of either
Raising flop?
Not raising turn?
I like raising flop, I dont really like raising turn because a astute hand reader is going to realize we really dont have any bluffs here. I tried to think of one and all I could come up with was KsQx.
Raising flop when I think about it now is superior to calling. ATM I think I didn't want to raise flop because I feared getting shoved on by AA AK A7s A5s but we block AK and AA is hard for him to have generally speaking and he might check that. So yeah I think raising flop is good also it gets him to fold TT-KK which is perfect.
As played I think I have to raise turn to get my stack in also I don't want another spade to hit. I agree we only have KsQx and KsJx but I'm only raising the nuts and the nut blocker here I think so as played I think its okay.
Edit: Actually I think I would raise some Qxs hands and maybe Jxs hands so I can raise some smaller flushes here for value too.
Im sticking with my original assessment, maybe I make a fishy call here to :D
Next time delete the section that you called, you will get better feedback in my opinion...
Obviously I don't think it's a fishy call but when I think about it I feel I could've made the fold. And ah, I will thanks for your advice! :)
wow would definatly be a hard fold
He could have a boat but he can also be overplaying Ax or a lower flush.
I think you mostly should be calling the turn.
You say that because he is unbaleced towards value here? Thats probably not a big concern considering average villain at 5nl. I don't like raising flop on A high boards in 3-bet pots vs population at micros because it feels like there is no fold equity
If he's a fish I agree he can have Ax when he donk jams however I think if he's a reasonable player, I think he knows when I bluff turn I'm going to bluff a lot of rivers. This particular river I may not bluff however I think a reasonable player would x/c river with Ax given I'm repping a flush.
What's your logic on calling turn? I don't think I can get my stack in if I just call turn because his range might check the river a lot.
Thanks for your feedback!
I would keep calling the turn. Raising looks pretty strong/obvious, and if he has a lower flush/2pair/sets, you're gonna stack him on most rivers anyway. By calling, you also keep his bluffs in + he could still value own himself w/ AQ-AK if he's bad.
Raising turn is strong I agree however I can have some bluff here (Ksx, and connected broadways with a high spade). If he has a strong hand I agree I'll stack him however I run the risk of letting another spade/straight card hit and generally speaking he's not going to fold those to a turn raise anyways. I agree I can keep his bluffs in however I don't think this is a spot where he will 3 barrel a lot however I can be wrong.
Thanks for your feedback!
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