not sure on this river situation

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not sure on this river situation

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (4 Players) BN: $3.32
SB: $3.55
BB: $6.04
CO: $6.06 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is CO with T K
Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10
BB: 16/15/4 126hh. No donk info
Flop ($0.32) K 7 T
BB bets $0.21, Hero raises to $0.63, BB raises to $1.41, Hero calls $0.78
Turn ($3.14) K 7 T Q
BB checks, Hero checks
River ($3.14) K 7 T Q 6
BB bets $1.50

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Dddogkillah 9 years, 1 month ago

Hey Dave how you doing man? How has thing been going since we looked at those stats??

I like your flop line, after getting three-bet this is a very good bluff catcher.
AJ gets there on turn, too high up in range to fold in my opinion and we have allright blockers to villain value range.
Calling river expecting to lose a good chunk but expecting to win over 27% of the time (aprox)
NH....

David Jimenez 9 years, 1 month ago

good this month so far man, thanks for asking

so you call this river? I was thinking that I don't see guys with this kind of stats bluffing too much so if he doesn't have bluff what would you think I was beating?

Dddogkillah 9 years, 1 month ago

Yah you are probably right, unless he is capable of turning Qx to a bluff ( something like AQ) maybe this is a fold...
N1
Nice graph too, glad to see things working out!

chasing_paper 9 years, 1 month ago

Can't we shove flop here for value, if we decide to raise his donkbet?
First question: is he donking 77, and be gladd to get it in on a board where we eazly could have TT and KK, wich he doesn't have in his range most of the time? So probably not.
So Imo his range here consists out of draws for the most part QJ, Q9s, 89s, J9s..midpairs with bckdfd/str8draw... 78dd,78hh.
AJ and AQ we can determine if we know villainsn3-bets stats vs steal.Probably doesn't have a chunk of them.
KJ and KQ hands,and the sometimes slowplayed AK hands.
So given his range and given our range is so strong i would start asking my self the question, isnt it better to call his donk? Raising Turns?
And like played, if we raise and get 3-bet on flop. Shove our value combos and bluff shove draws?

David Jimenez 9 years, 1 month ago

if he's strong with the force I mean with the draws when he donks, don't we wanna charge him the most to draw? I'm assuming he'd donk/call most of the donking range you assigned him so we should try to get value don't you agree?

Brokenstars 9 years, 1 month ago

Hello David Jimenez,

The 3-bet on the flop is okay imo. Players donk with random stuff here quite often and even if he donks with a hand like KX he may be think you're bluffing with hands like J9s, QJo/s, AJo/s/, AQs/o especially when he simply raises so small. I'd most certainly continue on the turn as if he had something like QJo/s I could see him checking here.

River is annoying and I'd probably fold putting villain on 77 often.

chasing_paper 9 years, 1 month ago

Sure we do, but by calling his 3bet on flop, isnt it anoying knowing that there are so many turn cards that we have to slow the action down? Like every A, Q, J, 9, 8, forces us to turn our strong hand on the flop in a bluff catcher... So given we raise his donk and he reraises, i think we should shove
Try to get a call from KQ type of hands and draws that he will feel comitted to pay us off...
Or call his donk, ceep his range wide, let him bluff and call down in most case scenarios...

KatonBond 9 years, 1 month ago

Hm this looks like a tough spot. Flop is played fine, I think you could argue getting it in on the flop though. Like someone mentioned above theres a lot of bad turns and maybe he just has a worse 2 pair like K7s or T7s and is going bananas. He could have a slowplayed AA AK KQ he's going nuts with, and even though I think he would almost always 3bet these hands preflop I think he can show up with these sometimes. He could also easily have TT 77 but I think TT will 3bet sometimes preflop as well. He might be going crazy with AQ AJ QJ J9 but AQ AJ I feel he 3bets more often then not but again, at micro stakes people play differently so I think I can put these hands in his range at a medium-low frequency.

Turn is quite confusing, 4 handed IDK if he would check KQ TT 77 here. The Q gives you a lot of 2 pair and pair + straight draw and I think he expects you to fold AJ J9 QQ to the flop 3 bet. He might check his AJ J9 here fearing that barreling this straight card is too strong, but you can easily have KK TT 77 which are not folding so I kind of feel he should bet here with all his value if he's a reasonable guy. If he was going crazy with AQ QJ now that he has SDV I can see him checking here.

OTR his line just makes no sense and we are getting a good price so I'd probably just pay him off. He could have a worse value hand sometimes like AA AK K7 T7 and his turn check is so weak that if he checked a hand better then KT OTT then good for him he should get our money. Also if he was going nuts with AQ QJ he might choose to turn those hands into a bluff.

Overall I think you played this hand fine.

KatonBond 9 years, 1 month ago

Ahh I see. Also I thought about this, actually when I think about it the Queen doesn't help your range as much as I thought it would because the only hands I think it would help are hands like AQs KQ KJ QJ, and I guess calling his three bet with AQs AJs and possibly offsuit combos wouldn't be a terrible play but it's highly debatable/getting on the spewy side. However I still stand by what I said and I think he should almost never check a hand better then KT OTT except maybe a straight but honestly I'd rather bet that if I played my hand like he did.

Thanks for sharing!

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