NL500zoom, river spot
Posted by BritneySpears
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NL500zoom, river spot
Hi all!
Villain comes up with a creative play by lead shoving the river.
What to do here! What can be a good range for him to lead ? Also leading all his fullhouse combos doesnt he weaken too much his river checking range? Thx!
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Also, question!, if he d checked the river, would this be a value bet river?
depends on what size you value bet the river? In addition, how do you plan to balance the turn bet size with other hands?
If you bet the turn 30-40% pot size keeping only 88+ in his range, quads, boats, nfd, nfd turned pair in his range( his PF 3 bet calling range in my assumptions shapes out like- 22-KK,AJs-AQs, KQs, AJo-AQo,QJs, JTs,T9s,98s,87s), you have roughly 65% equity against his turn calling range. Calling/Folding on the river as you would have 400$ roughly after betting the turn for 50$ (pot becomes 235$) is no different as you would require to be correct 63% of times roughly.
Any reads on V? :)
Not really except that he's one of the best regs I would say.
I dont know about his river leading tendencies.
QQ and JJ a legit combos. I doubt he plays a fd like that on a paired board.
QQ 4bets pre mostly i would think, JJ depending on his stats.
QJs, 1 combo, AJs, KJcc are possible as well.
For bluffs ATcc,T9cc perhaps.
You're screwed either way. Flip a coin :-)
Kind of tough spot. His value range is obviously like JJ/QcJc/KcJc/AcJc/JcTc and bluff combinations would be like Tc9c/AcTc/KcTc/9c8c/8c7c. I think you just have to come up with some sort of balanced calling frequency, hands with 9c, 8c and Tc being the worst ones and hands with Qc being the best ones.
If he checked I think this hand is probably the bottom of our valuebetting range, I would probably checkback AQ.
Thanks all for your thoughts, do you think he can have AJo in his river range?
Most dont. They rather x/call down, hopng to bluffcatch, if they lead river, they dont expect to get called by worse and busted draws have to fold anyways.
I like this line from villain a lot especially if you`re not shoving river yourself (wider for value/as a bluff), makes sense for him to develop a leading range.
I d fold KK and be more happy to call with AQ blocking some QJs, especially with AQ without Ac so that he can bluff Axcc
I don't get your turn sizing.
The x/c-x/c-shove line represents tha he almost never x/r the top of his range (maybe duo to card removal effects) on earlier streets. This should make his range stronger than average and yours weaker than average on equilibrium. Given how small is the fraction of Jx/2x on your range, you should be calling tons of Qx and overpairs. The main discussion is how bad/good is to have Ac/Kc.
On the same time it blocks the flush draws and should be a natural bad bluff catching hand, it only should be a bad bluff catching hand if OOP plays x/c-x/c line with this flush draw class the majority of time. So, blocking the his flop portion that turn a boat should be have a way more important card removal effect than the flush draws that plays this line. River being the Jh removes all his KJhh/AJhh combos that may peel flop and turn against your quite small sizing, so his value range becomes way more narrowed than Jd river for example. This seems a pretty easy value bet if checked to and call against a jam.
turn sizing shud be larger bc u r more polar on turn id assume (like idt ur betting jx/TT or something). your value range of JJ/KK/AA/QJs/A2s wants to bet/bet/shove and make him bluff catch his AQ KQ QTs Q9s combos. on river, he can have jx way more then u, so makes sense for him to lead certain hands.
I think that given your small turn sizing, he actually has more lighter calls then ppl think. Like KTs/T9s (probably each at 50% frequency given they fold flop sometimes) and then all club draws, including weaker ones like 87cc 98cc T8cc, and maybe even 65cc 76cc if he calls loose pre. Its just that none of these will c/r this flop/turn cuz good board for ur range so he has all these in calling range (and imo calls turn bc u bet 75 into 135 so he has 2.8-1 and some implied odds). This gives him way more possible bluffs. and i think some players cud turn Qx into bluff here too, just out of the realization that they can rep a Jack very well and u can't have it much.
Nice comment!
Hollywood Haxton, is that you?
I totally started reading your comment with Ikes voice :D
d3fault possibly biggest sicko in the pool atm. Your sn is?
call, not close
wow people are profitable at NL500zoom?
this river spot makes my head hurt
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