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NL50 KK in 3bp, funny spot

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NL50 KK in 3bp, funny spot

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $61.46
SB: $82.35
BB: $50.75 (Hero)
UTG: $65.68
MP: $40.00
CO: $50.00
villain is a reg, 20/16 over 1100 hands. Coldcall on the button 2% so far, which is weird.
His 3b and other stats are normal.
WSD 44%, WTSD 33% (so he is a station), WwSf 50%. Fold to 3b ~50%

Fold to cbet in 3bp f/t/r 18/50/-. Float flop 5/9, float flop in 3bp 1/2
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with K K
UTG raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BN calls $1.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $6.50, UTG folds, BN calls $4.75
this flop hits him really well, he has
Do you guys think that this is fine? Im honestly not sure vs this villain, who seems to be a station. all sets and I can have top set only. I'd cbet without Kc.
Flop ($15.00) 4 Q J
Hero checks, BN bets $7.87, Hero calls $7.87
Turn ($30.74) 4 Q J A
Hero checks, BN bets $29.36, Hero calls $29.36
Ridic spot. I need 33%. I've got
MP2 29.51% 29.51% 0.00% KdKc
MP3 70.49% 70.49% 0.00% QQ-JJ

if I call, we'll have 7$ behind.
River ($89.46) 4 Q J A 7
Hero checks, BN bets $17.73 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot BN wins $86.96
Rake is $2.50

Is it ridiculous idea to call the turn and donkjam rivers that we bink, including Kx, and hope for tiltcall??

thanks guys

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Disharmonist 9 years, 11 months ago

Should have just stick it in OTT, its just a formality at this point. I think you can easily just fold flop against an UTG 3bet calling range., as you will often run into sets, only worse hand here for villain to bet is AQ.

Samu Patronen 9 years, 11 months ago

There's really no reason to shove. I think it's safe to assume that villain will never bluff us off with the worse hand on the river if we just call, so we have a completely safe calling spot instead of shoving. Just call and donkshove any c and K. We also don't have any fold equity, so by shoving we're just burning money. 7 dollars is not just 7 dollars, it's 14 big blinds, which is huge. If your winrate is 2bb/100, 7 dollars = 700 hands. Think about that.

its just a formality at this point.

What is this supposed to mean? Shove because it's "formality", what?

edit. "formality" was probably just a poor choice of words. And I do admit, shoving is kind of tempting in game, because "we got the equity yo, let's go and be done with the hand and move on after the river", and I might do that too ingame if I'm not focused. But when I think about this a bit longer, I think shoving is a mistake, and a suprisingly big one.

Knoxox 9 years, 11 months ago

Shoving is terrible, we let villain play perfectly and get more money in while we are behind.
On the other hand if we call, we can play perfectly + Villain never folds the river when we bink so we actually need to have only 30% equity which makes this a call because he could have some AQ, AJ.

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