NL50 88 Bluffing With The Underpair, Good Play?
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NL50 88 Bluffing With The Underpair, Good Play?
UTG: $55.50
LJ: $20.75
HJ: $80.73
CO: $52.77
BN: $80.13
SB: $18.75
BB: $50 (Hero)
LJ: $20.75
HJ: $80.73
CO: $52.77
BN: $80.13
SB: $18.75
BB: $50 (Hero)
I did not realize it at the time, not even the minraise gave it away, but villain was probably a whale (71/29 over 7 hands). I don't know if I like my play still but I was involved in some other pots and I basically made it readless, without thinking about it.
Preflop
($0.75)
(7 Players)
Hero was dealt
8
8
UTG folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $1, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50
UTG folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $1, BN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop
($2.25)
J
9
5
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $1,
Hero raises to $3.50,
CO calls $2.50
I like raising here because I'm about even against draws and at the same time if a club comes, I'm going to represent it. I think I'm going to barrel almost any turn card, except for when the board pairs. Of course I'm also happy to take it down.
Turn
($9.25)
J
9
5
J
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $4.50,
Hero calls $4.50
I don't like to turn my hand into a bluff here and opt to x/c.
River
($18.25)
J
9
5
J
8
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets $8.50,
Hero raises to $41, and is all in,
CO calls $32.50
The river is obviously the perfect card for me and I x/r allin to get max value from flushes and in this case apparently: straights.
Final Pot
Hero has
8
8
CO has
T
Q
Hero
wins $97.75
Is this a profitable play on the flop and turn? It seems to me like it is. And is x/r the river the most profitable play? Although I probably don't get value from a J, and maybe even not from thinking man's low flushes, I also think it is. Against this player it's probably a no-brainer though.
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On the flop against a regular or a semi-decent player that chk-raise is not good in my opinion. Your equity against everything that just calls your chk-raise is very bad. Also if you are new to the table and chk-raise that kind off flop I personally would consider calling you down for informational reasons to see if u you do that with your draws/bluffs or purely monsters. The problem with him calling the chk-raise is you dont know what his range consists off. Sure keep barreling on the turn but in my opinion there are easier boards to chk-raise on and following upp on the turn. Do you think that a 9 or TT would fold the turn? because thats the holdings I see folding to your cont-bet. The rest calls or raises and you have to guess again and 3-barell out off position which is where the mistakes can happen.
To summerize people do not like to folds hands on that board since it usually has a lot of chances to improve on the turn and you are out off position so I would say that your flop chk-raise is not profitabel unless you can read villian really well and know where his ranges are.
I might be barreling the river too fwiw. I think his range is any draw, any jack, any 9, TT. I think the overpairs, 2Ps and sets usually reraise those flops as do possibly the really strong draws. If I hit a club, I'm bluffing the made hands, if I hit nothing, I'm still barreling against his draws and weaker pairs, and I may or may not barrel the river too. You seriously call down light otr if it bricks two times?
I would probably not fold a good jack with a decent kicker TT or A9 if I have a feeling that you might be doing that chk-raise with a draw or well a bluff ofc. But if the turn comes A-J-5-9-4-3-2 I would call again if the turn is a club and I have the A of clubs I might even push on the turn. The reason this is easier to do for me is because I have position in that hand. The thing is why I would not put you on a J only unless you have J9 is because the type off player that chk-raises a J in that position you are also the type off player that will 3-bet with that type off hand preflop. with a J or a 9 I have blockers to your possible trips+2pair whats left is draws monsters and overs KQ-AT-KT-QT(most people reraise with JJ+pre and therefore I would exclude that especially from BB.) Also you dont know if I like to just chk-call with my good hands or not lets say I have QQ and just want call the flop so I can jam over your bet on the turn with a safecard like a 4off.
Ofc I am not saying I am doing this every time but in the big picture chk-raise is a very polarized move for most people on the level we are playing and therefore it consist of Nuts-Draws-Air
This is going to be a messy reply. =)
I can have AJ here. I just flat it from the blinds vs lp most of the time. On the flop I might play it exactly the same. I think you say when the board pairs or an utter brick falls or an A, you're still calling. And then if you have the As you might push a club, right? I don't know if you got it from the hh but I checked the J on the turn and I'm always check calling when the board pairs. For the As, you only have 6 combo's of that hand, and you're folding the other 18 combo's of A9 and AJ when a club comes, so it's not happening all that often vs your made hands and I actually doubt it's a profitable play to make. You also forgot to include that you might have a ton of draws as well, which DO fold the turn on a brick. It's true I lose the hand when an overpair shoves on a safe card but having taken everything into consideration, I think it's still a winning play.
Basically I think when a club falls on the turn, I make enough made hands fold. And when a non club falls, not pairing the board, I make enough weaker hands and draws fold. That's what I'm trying to say when I think this play is profitable.
Flop play seems pretty bad. You're bluffing with a hand that doesn't really block anything, has limited equity when called, improves rarely and you're going to be stuck in a lot of guessing games oop with your hand. Pick something with a gutshot or a backdoor flush draw if you want to bluff this flop.
I like it when people gives different views on how the understad and think in situations that how we improve. I like your thinking but james has a point the equity off the hand is bad but your thinking is quite right mb this is a better play in HU situation?
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Will do :)
Both you and villain clicking buttons like bosses :).
Haha. I really thought it was a good play. :)
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