NL50 - 3b pot JJ turn decision
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NL50 - 3b pot JJ turn decision
BB: $62.02
HJ: $55.01
CO: $50
BN: $50 (Hero)
SB: $70.42
HJ: $55.01
CO: $50
BN: $50 (Hero)
SB: $70.42
Preflop
($0.75)
(5 Players)
Hero was dealt
J
J
HJ folds, CO raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.25, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls $3.05
HJ folds, CO raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.25, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls $3.05
Flop
($9.25)
8
7
9
(2 Players)
CO checks,
Hero bets $5,
CO calls $5
Turn
($19.25)
8
7
9
3
(2 Players)
CO checks,
Hero bets $9.50,
CO raises to $19
villain is 24/16 (170h), fold23b 0/3, open raise ep/mp/co 19/26/16 (so he's not really that positionally aware)
overall f2cb 62, agg factor 0.8. I also had a note saying: "pretty loose pre, cbet second pair weak kicker"
turn play? i had $31.25 left behind
thanks
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I would check behind flop and call like pretty much any turn (very nice with gutter and bdfd). As played fold turn. This hand isn't rly strong enough to get 3 streets on this board.
Generally a good idea to have plan when betting these types of hands.
I dont agree with you here. JJ is a value hand and need protection on this type of board. If you check back the flop and the turn is a T+ or an heart, its bad for your range and you have no idea where you stand.. and it happens 50% of the time (10 heart + 14 T+ cards = 24 cards / 48 unknow cards).
And just because xx is a value hand and it needs protection (Which I don't think it's true since we got an overpair, gutter and bfdfd) doesn't mean you need to bet it. Like I said in my previous comment we can pretty much call any turn there is. You have to check sooner or later with this hand on this board.
This board is bad for our range (And good for villains range) => Forced to check a lot.
Do you check your complete range on this board? It wouldn't make that much sense to bet just your 2pair+ hands on this board, would it? I would like to hear what do you think how hero should play his complete range here :)
Nailed it.
And if we are oop - will your betting/checking ranges be the same?
I would generally cbet less oop
Maybe its a style thing, but I prefer a flat against someone who snit opening CO wide.
OTF, I would cbet to get value from draws and AK,AQ and flush draws.
OTT, kinda strange, I would expect all his strong hands to ch/r the flop. Its prolly a fold, maybe we can call if we think he is making moves here.
His flatting range looks something like --> TT-44,AQs-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AQo-AJo, and he`s probably continuing with half of it --> ATs,KTs,QTs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,Ahxh, which has decent equity.
With the limited info we have on him i`m more inclined to think he`s gonna fastplay his 99-77,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,QhAh,JhAh,ThAh,9hAh,8hAh,7hAh,6hAh,5hAh,4hAh,3hAh,2hAh otf not thinking about our range too much and just put us in gross spots, so xb flop for pot control and calling/betting good turns seems good.
As played, i think he probably just call his straight/flush draws and raises 2p+ ott, so folding.
Agree with SPrince.
OTF board is really bad for our range. I think it's standard to give up with tons of hands on that board, OTF but certainly OTT. So there aren't that many bluffs in our range --- also if villain wanted to bluff the flop would have been perfect. It's basically a good folding spot OTT.
I think check-call is a way better option (also protects of OTT checking range) IF:
1- I cannot get 3 legit streets of value
2- I have tons of equity against villain range
3- I'll have to fold on a raise.
I don't really see big downsides to c-c, he'll bet a lot of his AT hands and we'll take one more street of value anyway. One downside is to make it a toufh spot OTR, but that's not a reason to play sub-optimal turn!
At first glance I would never check back that flop... betting for protection vs possible A,K,Q on turn... after reading trough the comments I`m not sure if betting is best.
As played... turn is an easy fold.
Im folding this turn. My continuation range OTT would be like str8 (those in my range), KK, AA, 2pairs and some good draws.
Why you bet/fold JJ and bet/call (or bet/jam) AA and KK?
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