NL5 AKo hard decision OTR

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NL5 AKo hard decision OTR

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) CO: $5.41
BN: $5.18
SB: $5.37 (Hero)
BB: $5.00
UTG: $6.25
MP: $5.36
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10
Flop ($0.45) A 5 2
Hero checks, BB bets $0.25, UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.45
Turn ($1.85) A 5 2 J
Hero bets $1.15, BB calls $1.15
River ($4.15) A 5 2 J 4
Hero checks, BB bets $3.00 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot BB wins $3.98
Rake is $0.17

Hey guys,
UTG is ''reg'' 19/15 in 220 hands, he was pretty tight at the table. BB is a fish.Should I 3bet/call a shove from UTG here ?
As played, I think the BB donkbets here with Ax and all of his draws and I can get value of this hands.OTR what should I do ? Flushes get there, maybe he has 33, and I dont think he shoves Ax here, but he is fish

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screamdustry 8 years, 6 months ago

I really struggle to find preflop scenarios where id want to ever call AK from SB.
Not 3betting this and playing very likely 3way OOP is just losing a lot from your hand-potential. Propably turning high EV 3bet into very mediocare call.

Quido 8 years, 6 months ago

Well if villain folds to 3bets too much and 4bets KK+ only (doesnt 4bet bluff), AK can be too good to waste on a bluff.

Kalupso 8 years, 6 months ago

Raise on the flop is likely an overplay of your hand 3way with a UTG range in there. You put yourself in very few good turn and river scenarios. Even on a blank river you might have to check fold AK after taking this flop and turn line. Very clear fold on the river here.

Tomasz K 8 years, 6 months ago

"Raise on the flop is likely an overplay of your hand 3way with a UTG range in there."
so do you just call OTF when BB is a fish, and you UTG folds?

Kalupso 8 years, 6 months ago

It's not strong enough to XR flop then bet turn and river unimproved. I think there are some merit to XR flop and check call turn with AK, but I prefer to have a FD or BDFD in that line.

Tomasz K 8 years, 6 months ago

To be honest, for me it's really astonishing what you wrote.
Since fish's range contains a lot of Ax, draws or any other trash I think villain has super +ev x/r on this texture, and if there's no club on this board I'm very happy pushing my all chips with TPTK OTR against NL5 fish ;)

screamdustry 8 years, 6 months ago

Problem is that by x/r we are basically pumping a lot of money into the spot where:
- we cant do anything else than ch/f turn/river at clubs (so almost 40% of time)
- 3 and 4 runouts are also bad versus wide BB range,
- Q/J/T are also not great and on double broadway runout we're also no longer in good spot,
- we still are behind versus solid amount of his two pairs/34

Raising verus range looks really good OTF, but then you realize, that without any additonal good cards, with 2 more streets, you basically hate the world on most runouts.

Tomasz K 8 years, 6 months ago

@Scream that's a good answer - clue about x/f 40% of time. But imo we should still remember that we are playing against NL5 fish :)

Kalupso 8 years, 6 months ago

It's a close spot and depends on assumptions. I probably put more weight on the pot being MW with UTG and less on him being a fish. If you XR AK or not here, will not make or break your win rate either.

No need to defend our view points more because it's pointless. I welcome all kinds of feedback but using words like "really astonishing" is not conducive to making a discussion rational and objective. What I write is only my estimations of how to play, so I use words as "likely" to emphasize the inherent uncertainty of what the best play actually is. I don't want to spend time on quantifying the spot because it's close to irrelevant for my win rate, but if it was more important I would make simulations with different assumptions and not engage in a long qualitative debate.

Tomasz K 8 years, 6 months ago

I didnt want to offend you. I'm sorry if you feel that I did that. Probably that's because of language barriers.
regards :)

Mamoa 8 years, 6 months ago

I play preflop here very situation dependend, sometimes calling, sometimes 3betting.
If you are really feeling strong enough to get the money in, I'd c/r bigger and commit myself with a big bet on a turn like this one.
If any TPTK on a drawy board is an insta broke on NL5 is debatable though :)

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