[nl5] Aggressive play with 88

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[nl5] Aggressive play with 88

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (5 Players) CO: $6.29
BN: $5.00
SB: $6.24
BB: $5.00 (Hero)
UTG: $6.20
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is BB with 8 8
UTG raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, BN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10
So many players in the pot, don't want to bet 3bet just call
Flop ($0.75) 3 7 5
SB checks, Hero bets $0.53, UTG folds, CO calls $0.53, BN calls $0.53, SB folds
i want to hardely protect my hand, 3/4 pots against high card and draws
Turn ($2.34) 3 7 5 6
Hero checks, CO bets $1.10, BN folds, Hero raises to $2.20, CO raises to $5.61 and is all in, Hero calls $2.12 and is all in
Here is the point i want to talk about, should i just call or raise is ok ? by raising this sizing we need to make him folds around 18% to get immediate profit, we hardely block top straight, he should throw some over pairs greater than us (which had not 3bet pf), he could maybe hold 66 or some db pairs but we have around 36% against 65s,76s

Hi guys, only 3 hands with Villain
What do you think about this turn play ?

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Erdis 5 years, 10 months ago

Well, vilains are calling station generally. They wouldn't fold an overpair. That said I think we have the odd because our hand is better sometimes and we have some outs so... I'd rather call but raise seems to be ok too

akissv7 5 years, 10 months ago

Preflop - ok, set mining is profitable here
Flop - ok you raise two callers
Turn - Want to be careful as it is a multi-way pot and all pairs except 22 do beat you by now. Would just check call and not raise as what will fold now?

Alban Farcy 5 years, 10 months ago

you're alright but i mean a pair which has found a set on the flop would've aggresively raise because of the draws, i'm playing with the fact that the action is lowing because of the board texture

akissv7 5 years, 10 months ago

On the flop there is not much reason for a set to be super aggressive as there are not to many draws available its a low board that most of the time hits most people less good so a set can just call on flop. On the flop one does not want to scare over pairs away by being to aggressive.

On the turn however the draws get bigger as besides the straight draws that improved there is also a flush draw to recon with. So on the turn yes a set is more likely to raise and in fact he did raise on the turn.

Redeth 5 years, 10 months ago

Preflop is fine.
Flop you could either check/call or bet/fold..both have merit..overall i prefer bet/fold since is 4way pot and dont expect people to stab with worse hands often so we benefit from some protection/value..
Turn we add a straight draw but i wouldnt bet vs 2 opponents..getting raised is disasterous since we have to fold pretty much..so i prefer check/call..you can argue of bet turn shove river as a bluff but i would rather do that move with other parts of my range and just add our 88s into our check calling range..
When we call and river gives us the str8 i would just shove for value..i dont think theres need to have some bluffs in our shoving range on the river but from a gto perspective i would shove some of my bottom two pair for bluff
If we dont improve then i would check fold...

Jeff_ 5 years, 10 months ago

by raising this sizing we need to make him folds around 18% to get
immediate profit, we hardely block top straight, he should throw some
over pairs greater than us (which had not 3bet pf), he could maybe
hold 66 or some db pairs but we have around 36% against 65s,76s

Even though our raise might be profitable it as well can be not the best play. Shoving AA for 100BB from utg is clearly +EV play, but not the best one :))))

Also I don't think villain bets overpair on the turn into 2 people. So his range I would say top2+> and if he has set for example I don't think he is planning to fold it. If he did maybe he would just check/call it and didn't bet in the first place.

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