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NL400 Call frecquency

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NL400 Call frecquency

BN: $567.60
SB: $402
BB: $824.66 (Hero)
Preflop ($6.00) (3 Players)
Hero was dealt 7 A
BN raises to $9, SB folds, Hero calls $5
Flop ($20.00) 8 K 5 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN checks
Turn ($20.00) 8 K 5 A (2 Players)
Hero bets $12.03, BN raises to $40.51, Hero calls $28.48
River ($101.02) 8 K 5 A 3 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BN bets $149.42, Hero folds
Final Pot
BN wins $99.52

Villain is a thinking reg, very aggresive, i have some dinamyc against him..I don´t remember him doing things like this in the past.. But probably smart enough to understand that he could raise my turn lead with some AQ/AJ/AT for value against my range, he knows that i´m very wide deffending my big blind ( ~60%)..

Id like to know how do you handle against this overbets..

How do you pick the right combos to defend your range in order to block some value hands of villain ? How wide should be my call frecquency with my Ax combos ? 

On the turn i have a few doudbts about my continouing range, how far would you go calling with just Ax ?? I thought that A7+ would be some reasonable amount to dont fold too much to his turn raise.. But is this costing me money ? 

On the river he bets 150 on 100 pot, he need a success of 60%.. So i should defend at least 40% of my range without any specific read.. If i call the turn with all my PAIR+FD, FD+ATLEASTGUTTER, and my A9+, ovbiously my two pairs and 55-88, so i come to the river with ~78 combinations.. So i would "have" to call with 32 of them..

With card removal effect i have 34 two pairs+ on the river, so i have some enough to defend that range against his overbet, but this deppends of how many Ax hands i did call on the turn... My question is how far would you go with your Ax.. Would you call all of them on the turnn ? would you call any of them on the river ? 

Im trying to improve my strategy and any suggestion about the hand, my thought proccess, or whatever is welcomee...



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Chael Sonnen 11 years, 7 months ago

He doesn't have too many missed flush draws. He would have bet hearts on the flop, and almost all of his diamond-diamond hands. I highly doubt he checked 8dXd or 5dXd, because he has so much equity.

Checking back A5 or A8 is a little more reasonable, though I don't think he would. And you have one A blocker.

The problem is that your hand is pretty much face up. You donk the A turn and call a raise. This looks like Ax, or a FD. You'd 3-bet most of your suited high card hands, so you pretty much have Ax only.
Your missed draws don't call anyway, so he's trying to get you to fold to fold Ax only, if he's bluffing.

Having some trouble putting him on a value hand, but I guess it's some kind of two pair. I think he's making it a little too clear he supposedly missed his draw.
I also don't see why he would start bluffing on the turn. If he had complete air, he likely would have bet the flop.

Calling is alright, but I'd fold.



BigFiszh 11 years, 7 months ago

What´s your thought process on the turn? What range are you puttting him on and what does your betsize target?

It looks like you want to get value from his QQ-99-hands. Would he check 99/TT on the flop?

As played there aren´t many blockers you could utilize against his range imho, so I´d just start counting from top down ... it seems like you´d be okay if you roughly start with AT+ and fold A9 and worse.

Juan Copani 11 years, 7 months ago

I don´t have pretty clear what´s his check-back-flop-range, in general he tend to bet too much on the flop (~70%).. ! But i supposed that against me, knowing that im very wide, and i will checkraise this kind of textures a lot, he could check all of his Ax, and weakers 5/8/K.. ! Im targeting those hands, and specially im trying to add valuehands to my turn lead since i have around ~70 semibluff combinations, and i dont want to be very weak when river comes a brick and i bet.. That´s my main reason why i bet..

What other alternatives do you prupose ? I also could xRaise a decent amount of all those semibluffs too, so i don´t have to bet too many middle strenght Ax´s hands... 


About his turn raise, i´d say he has A5/A8 as his strongest holdings, but he should be betting this ones on the flop.. (is this an indicator of flop weakness when he cbet ? ).. And rarely AQ/AJ.. And some random bluff ?? Any diamond that he could check back on the flop ? QJdd/QTdd ?? These are flop cbets, but i dont know.. 



Chael Sonnen 11 years, 7 months ago

70% is a high c-bet percentage?

Juan Copani 11 years, 7 months ago

As you play higher and higher i think it´s. Becomes to exploitable.. Suppose that is lower on this board because is some kind of wet. But steel being high, i think you gonna have some problems cbeting more than 35% this board against a thinking reg who knows something about split his range and who is not folding more than 40% on any street..!


Arggg93 11 years, 7 months ago

you look so capped on the river that i'd be afraid of getting owned everytime by overbets, but then again i really think a good thinking reg's range for overbetting the river on a board where two flush draws missed will be much more inclined to value than bluffs, just because i think a lot of players will be happy to smash the call button on a board like this with their bluff catching hands, i would assume he knows this and he adjusts accordingly.

i'm x/calling the turn btw

ziolo 11 years, 7 months ago

Why are you betting turn? If you bet turn with every Ax, then your x range is very capped. I would play whole range ott by checking.

Also don't think there's a lot of value in betting turn&river with most of Ax.

mplecki23 11 years, 7 months ago

Certainly disagree in that betting the turn with you Ax is going to have plenty of value, and ch.c the turn with a different part of you range will be better. I also dont think AQ is a raise turn overbet river hand, since you can still have nutted hands aka two pair hands. I would be hard pressed to fold the turn here very often. I haven't ran the math, but if he's raising turn with A8/A5 for his capped value hands, and mixes in some XYdd hands, we will wanna be b3b our 88/55 combos, maybe some A8 ocmbos, along with some FD bluffs. With that being said, we'll have less stronger holdings in our bet/c range on the turn, so I think we have to start calling some Ax on the river. 

His line is pretty confusing and doesn't rep much, so I'd prob click call and see what he's doing.


Juan Copani 11 years, 7 months ago

I know that i have not a lot of value by betting A7 turn and river, but i surely have enough to make it EV+.. And like i said, im worry about dont be too bluffy when i lead the turn (and i want lead about ~70 semibluffs), so i have to lead with some part of my Ax, even if they play better as a check/call.

This are my reasons for lead the turn, but id be able to hear some other strategy. Im worry about protect my range, and most of people are thinking the hand in a vacuum..  But maybe im wrong on this...

mplecki23 11 years, 7 months ago

Ya idk, bet the turn a lot with your Ax, nutted stuff, and weak flush draws, 67s, and chc your Kx 8x and Q hi FDs or pair+fds with SD value I would think to start, and then just adjust one way or another.

Arggg93 11 years, 7 months ago

i didnt quite get your reasons for betting, would you mind rephrasing it? from what i understood you wanna sacrifice ev in order to have a more balanced range? if so, i just dont think thats good on the vast majority of the spots in these stakes

imawhale26 11 years, 7 months ago

I think he is saying that check/call might be more +ev with this specific hand, but his is leading so many semibluffs profitably that he needed to widen his value leading range.  So he may be sacrificing some ev with this holding, but he is increasing (in theory) the ev of his leading range.

mplecki23 11 years, 7 months ago

if you are x/c this hand, youe going to be betting the turn as a bluff a ridiculous amount of the time.  As an overall strategy, you'll need to be betting A7o here on the turn.

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