NL400 AKs BBvsSB 3bet pot
Posted by Jhuntter
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NL400 AKs BBvsSB 3bet pot
Blinds: $2.00/$4.00 (6 Players)
BN: $635.00
SB: $3168.31
BB: $652.62 (Hero)
UTG: $1421.03
MP: $400.00
CO: $539.82
SB: $3168.31
BB: $652.62 (Hero)
UTG: $1421.03
MP: $400.00
CO: $539.82
Preflop
($6.00)
Hero is BB with
A
K
, , ,
Villain is very aggro pre-flop. He doesn't like to fold pre-flop.
Flop
($72.00)
4
8
2
, ,
Not sure if betting or checking flop is better.
Turn
($152.00)
4
8
2
K
,
I decided to check because I had no idea what to do if I face check-raise here.
River
($152.00)
4
8
2
K
4
, , ,
I think my hand doesn't look very strong here and villain might turn some hands into a bluff which doesn't beat my thin values.
How does it look ?
Thank you all the comments!
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Im betting turn as played.Whole point of AK being best barreling hand on dry boards is being able to comfortably b, shove on K, A turns/rivers, and youll have plenty of gutters + bdfds youd want to barrel.
What`s your worst value bet on the river with this line+sizing, what bluffs do you have ?
His turn x/r frequency is extremely low on 842K rainbow. He has very few 4x on his range and even 22 some people may fold to a 3b oop. When his value range is basically A4s (that he also probably don't have a 100% call a 3bet frequency) and 88 and he is bluffing 76s/75s/65s it is a call.
doubt he is checking river with 76s 65s 75s.... i think he can turn some 8x into a bluff as well as 55-77... that comes out to a lot of potential bluff combos so bet/calling is def good. if u say he never folds pre flop then he may have 54s 64s as well as A4s,22, 88 but i think also some of these hands bet river while his bluffing hands (55-77, some 8x) never bet river. i seriously dont think he has 76s 75s tho like ever, he also bluffs that id think
I would check on the flop but we probably want to play mixed strategy.
I would bet the turn. This card hits us a lot more than it hits villain so we want to bet a lot here, Kx hands for value and a lot of bluffs.
As played, if villain is balanced we should call on the river. We need info to make a fold.
Agree with this and I think if we play a mixed strategy with our AK, AK with a BDFD might have more EV when we start by flop cbetting against most opponents since we can barrel many more turns.
Turn bet after betting the flop is mandatory imo. Probably the best possible turn card for hero.
I don't see a reason to ever check this turn. He shouldn't x/r that much on this board.
yea its the best turn also bc he doesn't make him 2pr like the ace might
don't people 3b really huge at reg tables?
turn has to be bet ,
curious on people's thoughts vs a c/r on that turn
otherwise I don't really see you have a calling range after taking this line if you are folding AK(A4s is probably the only one if you don't check back KK)
and for the river I guess you can find a fold if you are vb/bluff really wide (as low as 99 etc)
You mean that what should we do if we bet and get raised on the turn?
If hero is vbetting and bluffing really wide on the river (as low as 99) then I would think that's more of a reason to not fold since AK is even further up in his range.
-Some thoughts about checking the turn:
.1. I think it's difficult to get 3 streets value from worse hands.
2. Stacksizes are little bit awkward for bet bet bet line.
3. Facing check-raise on the turn sucks.
4. Chance to villain to bluff the river. Against some sizings I think I would raise.
@ UpUpAndAway I think TT would be the lowest hand I valuebet on the river. Ingame I snapcalled.
I assume people who bet turn would bet river as well?
Oh yeah and thank you everyone for your answers !
With such a range advantage, hero should probably be betting this river with all Kx and a good chunk of stuff like 99-QQ that gets to the river this way. Villain would need to call with some Ace highs.
I'd bet flop a little larger, so could bet,bet, shove with a slight overbet on the river.
Shouldn't you be happy seeing a check/raise? It's a horrible card for villain. And that's even if he's floating the flop with a decent chunk of Kx. He may even be x/r a hand like KQ.
In isolation, villain's river bluffing frequencies (unless they're way over the top) shouldn't influence the the turn decision.
This forum isn't working goddamnit..
This was my post before I pushed Enter:
The K turn is a way better card for BB's range than SB's. BB should have KK, AK, KQ and AA still while SB won't have AA,KK and AK is severely discounted even with 150bb stacks since a 4bet PF is very likely.
Because of this range advantage, BB should be betting turn and river fairly aggressively with a lot of his range after the K turns. Unless SB floated KQ/KJs type hand OOP or has a rare set, it's going to be hard for him to not get run over on this turn card vs an aggressive opponent so he's forced to call more of his range than just sets and floated Kx. So hands like JJ,TT,99,A8s aren't auto-folds by any means unless SB allows BB to barrel ATC profitably. This is why, against most opponents, there's definitely value in going 3 streets with AK.
Also, I just want to add that it's very rare that SB will checkraise the turn here. I personally don't have a checkraising range on the turn with this board at all. I get the feeling that if you don't think there's value in betting turn and river with your hand on this runout, you likely aren't bluffing it enough.
word for word agree with upupandaway
i personally would check that flop. you do get face card combos to fold in that spot, but no way is he folding pairs to you. i get that maximising your ak would be ideal but when you 3b his preflop, its more likely that flop hits him than it does you so the bet might smell iffy if i were him. so i reckon a check on a flop and a bet on the turn might've been a better line given how much bigger his stack is than yours (so he could be peeling the flop off with almost any combo draws)
i personally would check that flop. you do get face card combos to fold in that spot, but no way is he folding pairs to you. i get that maximising your ak would be ideal but when you 3b his preflop, its more likely that flop hits him than it does you so the bet might smell iffy if i were him. so i reckon a check on a flop and a bet on the turn might've been a better line given how much bigger his stack is than yours (so he could be peeling the flop off with almost any combo draws)
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