edit: Oh, I see. He had QQ's. Not much to say. What actually are you asking? It's up to you and villain/spot dependent as to if you want to get the money in pre with AKo/s. Here, you are an underdog against QQ heads up and lost. Absolutely standard.

Villain is 5b shoving with QQ 120+ bb's deep @ 2NL. Take a note. I think you're being far looser than him, though because you're calling a 5b shove with AKs. What do you beat that he would be 5b shoving? Probably very little if anything when you think about it.

Interesting, I remember I put him on QQs in game and still called. Feels like QQ+ are the only ‘shovable’ hands if I’m not shoving AKs? I’ll check the equity later, but it’s kind of interesting... as for reads, I’m judging just based on the NL2z pool. More thinking to do about this I suppose. Sounds like this could be a fold though.

Thanks for your reply

Your 4bet is enormous, I'd make it 0,50-0,55.

Hi Pete. I don't think this is a particularly good spot to 4bet. Both you and the big blind should be playing tight ranges, and the big blind should be fairly polarized, so getting it in with AKs here is just too thin (and if that's the case you shouldn't want to 4bet). There are times to 4bet AKs for value/protection, but that is usually when facing looser ranges or when out of position.

As played, you are getting 2:1. If your opponent has QQ or AK or random trash here ever, you have to call.

Thanks for the reply.

Okay, so rethink the 4bet. It’s a weird adjustment to think of AKs... always learned of them as a good spot to get your stack in.

So just call the 3bet and see how the board develops?

I assume KK and AA are good to 4bet?

I’m AFK atm, will check equilab later

Thanks again for your thoughts

Sorry accidentally flagged your previous comment. Not sure how to undo. I think that in an optimal solution AKs probably is a get it in hand here. But in this case the population read is that BB 3 bets way below optimal frequency thus moving your weaker get it in hands to a call 3 bet. As for the other comment about getting it in when behind - i don’t think you meant this - but just to be clear if you have good enough pot odds vs equity you get it in and play for stacks it doesn’t matter that you are behind.

If you have 33% equity would you not call $80 into a $200 pot? Even though you are behind?

Even if you are behind every combo you could still have the equity to call.

Ok checked the numbers. 1.61 giving a final pot of 491 gives 32.7% equity needed. Vs QQ+ We have 34.59%. This is a clear call. Whether the original 4 bet should have been this big is another question. But given we are in this state we should make the call unless we think he only has KK+

It’s not a question of not treating it differently. Equity and pot odds remain the same whether you are playing NL 2 or NL 1000. The assumptions that produce the equities vary. I think QQ+ Is maybe even a tight estimate of the range - maybe you are saying that KK+ is a better estimate in which case fair enough it is a fold. FWIW also think mostly calling 3 bet is better at micros but once we have made the large 4 bet I think we are committed.

My current thought is to call the 3bet and avoid and awkward all in, it’s a really interesting discussion though. I had a guy shove with JJ earlier, quite odd.

Really appreciate the comments all.