NL25z - Bluff raise on turn vs delayed cbet from nit
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NL25z - Bluff raise on turn vs delayed cbet from nit
Hi,
this hand is no spectacular but i was really confused during it.
UTG was 16/10 after 100 hands.
https://www.weaktight.com/h/5cdc5dced39043d27c8b47f9?simple=1
1) I call PF cause i expect him to have very strong range with those stats and opening position.Should i just fold it?
2) Check on flop is kinda strange cause board is drawy, so he should bet all his value bet hands, like AA, AK, KK. The rest like QQ, JJ, TT, 99 probably too.
3) Turn is blank and it hits BB range better than UTG range, so im very suprised when UTG makes delayed cbet and sizing is strong. Its hard for me to put him on hand or even range so i decide to bluff him, but he fires back and he does it very quickly. I have to fold but still i dont have any idea what he may have here...... :-/
What do You think?
Thanks !
Nihil
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Preflop usually 4bet > fold > call as you dont want to be squeezed or play multiway with AQo. Against someone who looks like tight player I dont mind folding actually.
Postflop - super spew from your side. That type of player loves to x/r his nutted hands so he is not that capped after check flop as you think he is. Also board is wet so you can expect most people will be stations there, you are folding only hands like yours.
Turn does hit BB's range better than UTG, but BB checked the turn. So it's completely fine for UTG to bet here.
It does not hit your range too much, so I am not sure why you went for the bluffraise. You checked back the flop, so what are you representing here? A set? If so, why didn't you bet with your set on the flop?
This reasoning does not make sense to me. Every time you're making a bet, you're making an investment with (hopefully) positive ROI. Would you put your money in an investment scheme which you know absolutely nothing about?
Just fold.
I see your point guys, i just cant put him on range which would check the flop and then show so much aggresion on turn. Maybe just 44 or 67 but he shouldnt have it in his UTG open range. Even sets should bet this flop cause is very drawy in fact.
My line doesn't make any sense, thats true, but i focused totally this time on opponents holdings :-)
You are making big conclusions on partial data. Maybe he wanted to check/raise flop but his plan failed?
This would be a prime example of fancy play syndrome, you should not be obsessed with winning every pot, sometimes you just need to let it go. If you bluff with essentially any 2 in this spot you are very exploitable, you're essentially repping 44, 54s or maybe 76s if you flat those pre in this spot (and don't bet 76 on the flop when checked to as a semi bluff) which is a bit of a stretch but I'll presume you do so that you can make this play as a bluff as well. That means that you have 10 value hands, this means that you should have very few bluffs here. Villain has to pay $2.60 to win $7.37 so you should really only have 4 bluffs combos if you want to make villain indifferent to calling here although this is not too strict. Basically you have to pick up to 10 hands currently in your range that are worth making this play with and I don't think AQo falls into that top 10.
1) Vs tight EP opening (<15%) fold pre is the best option.
2) Check flop with whole range is completely fine for EP guy, especially in 3way pot. His Top and Over pairs can bet for value 3 streets, especially on such a dinamic board, and he defend the range by x/r the strongest part of it.
3) You can represent even less than EP, and still you have BB behind and still he could potentially trapping with 67o kind of hands
Yeah, it might be fancy play syndrome, i admit, im fighting with it all the time :-/ Thanks for opinions.
Honestly though the idea to attack someone who has a capped range is a good thought process to have and in some situations you can do this with any 2 profitably (i.e: triple barreling ace high boards when checked to by someone who doesn't check any ace) but this is not the situation for it, firstly in a multiway pot villains range isn't as capped as you probably think it is and also your range is actually even more capped than villains. Personally I regularly run a similar play but with a few crucial differences, namely that I do it from the BB in multiway pots when the pre flop raiser or anyone who came after them and had a chance to bet stabs the turn when it checks around to them for a second time. This is because as the BB your range isn't capped because you're checking 100% of flops and your wide range means that you could have hit a multitude of different 2 pairs on the turn so your value range is much wider.
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