NL25z: BBvCO bluffing spot.

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NL25z: BBvCO bluffing spot.

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: $24.65
SB: $79.05
BB: $30.83 (Hero)
UTG: $22.90
MP: $28.36
CO: $28.03
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is BB with A 2
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop ($1.60) J Q 8
Hero checks, CO bets $1.25, Hero raises to $4.00, CO calls $2.75
Turn ($9.60) J Q 8 T
Hero bets $5.75, CO calls $5.75
River ($21.10) J Q 8 T 5
Hero bets $20.33 and is all in, CO calls $17.53 and is all in

Villain complete unknown.
OTF: It's a spot we can both have nuts but I have more T9 than he does cause T9o being the bottom of my pre defend range I chose to bluff.
I think hearts I can have here is KhJh KhTh Th9h(nut) Ah2-Jh 7h6h 6h5h.
And prob flat KhJh AhJh.

OTT: I cannot have AK but I do not see him having AK either. I'm blocking Ah and only possible AK he can have is AdKd (1 combo).

OTR: Here, I don't think villain has a 9 almost not anytime. I think 9 would made raise OTT unless its sth like Th9h (I'm blocking all Ah9h ish combos). <- Do they not?... Do people flat 9 OTT a lot?
even if the villain flatted flop w/ AdKd, I do not it X/C twice on this board and its only 1 combo.
I think the villain's range mainly consists of two pairs and sets and maybe some KhXh-pair type hand.
I'm afraid that my jam would exactly like what i have; broken nfd but I see myself having bunch of T9o combos here so I chose to jam.

Am I overbluffing in this spot? Do I get heroed a lot or do they have more 9 or AK combo than I think? D:

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Disharmonist 9 years, 7 months ago

Your idea is not bad, however, x/raising the flop on this particular board will get you in trouble as villain can have many 2pairs, which he wont fold or even raise, and then you will have to fold your draw. 2nd, your QQ and prob JJ are most likely to be 3bet. 3rd, I doubt that you would bet a set OTT and jam OTR when there is 4 to a straight on board and villain can easily have it while you should have K9 or 9x , AK is also been 3bet pre.

Nate Rotten Tomatoes 9 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the input. Villain snap heroed with QJo here. I was wondering if my line exactly looked like what it is and whether I can actually take the same line with my T9 combos or sth like Ah9h (That I can value 3-barrel/value jam river). I can not have any AK yes, but to me by the time, it seemed like neither can he OTR :(
But yes. I have to agree that X/R flop w/ A2s on this texture won't work out well.

taaazz 9 years, 7 months ago

I prefer to 3b this pre, but calling is obv fine as well.

XR otf is fine, but I would XF ott - think about your range - you don't really have any 9x (well, T9 only, but some people 3b those pre), and Villain's range improves significantly.

As played, defenitely x/f river.

Cameron Couch 9 years, 7 months ago

I think having a raising range here is OK assuming we defend T9o combos, that said, I wouldn't include this combo in my XR range. You can XR some JQ/T9/88 combos for value as well as Txhh, Txdd, potentially some KhTx, KdTx combos etc

AP, he's probably folding his 1p hands OTT so his river range should be fairly strong. Sure he'll have some 2ps (which he SHOULD be folding), but you're going to run into a straight far too often here. Give up OTR.

taaazz 9 years, 7 months ago

So you favor hands with a blocker when XR, right?
When we XC, would you consider leading some turns? Like, leading Kx/Tx/9x as a bluff,
and hearts for value if he's barreling a lot?

fritzlm 9 years, 7 months ago

If you ever c/r some bdfd it's quite sure you are over bluffing OTR. Generaly speaking busted NFD make poor 3 barrel bluff as they block vilain's folding range imo.

Nate Rotten Tomatoes 9 years, 7 months ago

Thank you taaazz, ishter, fritzlm for the inputs :)
As played, X/F OTR seems like mandatory here.
And I do see my leak in my wide XR flop range. I rarely give up OTT once I XR flop. Both missplayed :(
Also XR range OTF by the coach was very helpful. I'm waiting for ur next guide :)

Limp Limpson 9 years, 7 months ago

yep not xraising this combo, we have a lot of weaker hands to xr with.

As played I think that turn is never a bet and we have to check our whole range, villain will have some AK and prob a bit more 9x in his range (people do open T9o in CO and he might have Q9/89/9xhh combos, even though he prob shouldnt cb q9 or 89)

Nate Rotten Tomatoes 9 years, 7 months ago

actually yeah. i open T9o CO too (btm of my open).
I shud've not XR flop neither cbet turn :(
In fact i do not have as many 9 as he does if not equal amount. Given the fact, my flop XR range shud be narrower.
Thanks for the input.

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