NL25 Zoom Bluffcatching Spot
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NL25 Zoom Bluffcatching Spot
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: $18.33
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $32.26
MP: $29.70 (Hero)
CO: $25.00
SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $32.26
MP: $29.70 (Hero)
CO: $25.00
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is MP with
9
9
, , ,
Flop
($1.44)
8
2
J
,
Turn
($4.20)
8
2
J
5
,
River
($4.20)
8
2
J
5
3
,
What do you think about the way I played this hand.
Opponent was 1 tabling Reg.
I think Flop is obvious call.
Can I bet Flop or is it player dependant?
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Standard imo.
Can't fold the flop, good value plus backdoor draws.
Std turn, I think you don't need too much protection or turn your hand into a bluff.
Std call on the river, these small bets are usually overbluffed, mainly on those discontinued lines of B X B. Also, villain might be value betting worse.
Isn't the Bet/check/bet line usually underbluffed?
how to play if villain bombs the river say potsize or 3/4?
Yep river can't fold, villian can valuebet 8x there for that size. If bombs it gets more interesting because his range will be towards flush, slowplays, very strong Jx and busted FD, T9, QT, Q9 as bluff. Our hand isn't particularly good bluffcatcher so don't feel bad giving up
what about 99 without a heart? do you think that's a good bluffcatcher because we don't block his busted FDs? Or would you just bluffcatch with Jx or better?
Not sure, depending on his size, more he goes ---> Prefer 8x and Jx compare to TT/99(no heart)
What do u think about stabbing turn ? We are buying free river, sometimes it might be for value, i dont mind folding to raise after he pot donkbet flop and x/r turn. After that pot on the flop he looks unpredictible and might make our river decision tough if he decide to pot again.
Hey Coley1818!
I agree with you. The BB called so his donking range otf is wider.
I know he didn't cbet here but I kind of want to state a point that seems to fit this situation: I don't like B/X/B line when the flop is wet AND the villain won't x/raise the turn ever as a bluff. you're missing value from all their draws/second best hands that will call and you give them a free card (deny free equity)
I don't understand the value in donking flop and giving up on turn vs regs. donk flop and bet turn big. Hopefully someone can clear this up for me if I'm wrong :)
Well I agree that this player was quite unpredictable and I didn't want to get check/raised by him as a bluff.
And yeah on the Turn the question is do we bet and risk getting check/raised or do we check/behind and let him realize his equity. On the other hand we are also inducing bluffs by QT and stuff like that.
Hey! :) That's a good point Pokerlogical I didn't think about checking to induce. Could be viable for sure here.
Personally, I would be DBing as a bluff with QTo type hands knowing I block his Jx and (yes 9x but he has less of those in his range) and give up on the river.(maybe even triple in that case so I can fold out his weak Jx,9x, Ace high FD and K high FDs)
I feel like a bet/check/bet line is more value heavy then bluff. I can't decide if having the 9h is a good or bad thing here.
Personally bet/folding turn small here(1/3) vs check. It's a very infrequent line to go donk, c/r on a blank as opposed to donk c/c so not really worried about getting bluffed. We get more value from 8x, smaller PP, FD, random AT and buy a cheaper river vs Jx. (win/win)
Ya true, this forces Jx hands to check river again (usually) instead of facing a bet here in an awkward spot OTR.
OTT, I prefer 1/3rd bet. Since the villan is quite unpredictable, his range includes all the legit hands that are ahead of you, mainly Jx (excluding super strong hands that would x/r), 8x and draws. By doing a 1/3rd bet OTT, its a cheapest way to showdown by charging the hands that are behind and not giving free river to them and also not loosing too much when you are actually behind.
And my take generally on bet/x/bet line is value heavy.
Hey guys... so if we bet 1/3 pot on the turn what type of hands do we want to be doing it for pure value with? (where we can bet/call a raise on the turn) I guess we have to build a flop raising range vs flp leads or do we call here IP? I like adding a flop raising range vs a BB range.
JJ-AA maybe?
Pokerlogical hmm maybe but personally I'm raising the flop with sets and overpairs right? I thought about it last night and hands like AJhh KJhh QJhh make sense in my mind but it's hard to find others
I like betting turn. I wouldn't bet small though. The majority of our range should be fd's, big overpairs, sets, straight draws and Jx, so with such an equity advantage and the desire to bet big on rivers I think betting like 75% with my range would be the play.
Betting turn with this specific combo is good because we block hands like T9/Q9 and fd etc that might go for a turn xr
River is very close. Yes he may value bet 8x but really this is one of the worst combo's for us to call since we block busted draws like Q9/T9/97, we have a heart which reduces missed fd combos (and those will usually just barrel) plus we block a thin vb with 99 itself and also 98. In addition to this, he has a lot of Jx in his range and people tend not to bluff too much in these spots so I think having enough equity to call otr is a push.
Hey man! good stuff! ... you made me realize that when villain (at these limits) check the turn, their range becomes capped. I don't think the average player here has a balanced x/raising turn range after donking flop at these limits. because of that, I agree on betting turn here but the only problem is that we should be raising their flop donks with a balanced range since our range isn't capped? so what strong hands do we bet for value/equity denial OTT after we just call the flop lead? Our range is now capped because we haven't raised the flop.
I don't think players are x/raising - messing around OTT (could be wrong of course) so that's why having this specific hand could be bad since we block their bluffs from the flop.
Not sure if were talking GTO here or population reads. Again my population reads could be wrong and just sticking to GTO until we find clear reads/patterns could be best here.
I wouldn't have a flop raising range here. I'd just flat everything so as to distribute it properly over 3 streets instead of splitting my range otf and becoming vulnerable to value bets from strong hands when I peel.
I think most players follow the same idea so their range isn't capped when they flat flop.
This hand blocks bluffs and as a medium strength hand therefore becomes good to bet since at this point he is check/folding his equity share (which is good for us) and check/calling with whatever he wants to xc with.
If we had like AQ/66 or something betting would be worse because we unblock their turn check raising range and don't have as much equity vs their turn xc range. Having 99 with no heart is slightly worse also because fd's would make up a good chunk of a xr bluff line here if they are capable of it but I think the difference is negligible.
Wow man that makes a lot of sense! didn't see it like that before. that was ....Swifffft ; ) ... one thought that came to my head tho was that doesn't it make sense to only x/raise turn with 9hAh (getting their turn FDs to bet call and weak made hands to fold) and K9h,Q9h and T9h to also fold out made hands and use K9h/Q9h/T9h as a river bluff to fold out their nut/King high FDs? honestly.. I'm just getting back into the game and my heads spinning! lol
My point with the 9hX combos is that there's few that should check fold there compaired to the x/calling ones I think
Bet turn. You want to be betting against his FD's, you want value if he donks A8 and you want to deny equity when he is donking OESD's and gutters. Yeah he has quite a bit of Jx in his range but that's poker and it's going to happen sometimes. I think the times he calls with worse and doesn't improve + the times he folds are going to outweigh the times he calls with better and you have to c/f rivers. You are calling $2+ on the river when you can probably bet less than that on the turn and capitalize on the bad calls when the river checks through OR win the pot and cut his equity completely and capitalize on fold equity on the turn.
I will bet half pot turn, and then i will take free showdown
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