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NL25- AK facing turn jam-3bet pot

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NL25- AK facing turn jam-3bet pot

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (5 Players) UTG: $25.35
CO: $25.00
BN: $38.07
SB: $20.10
BB: $25.00 (Hero)
Villain is unknwon, 1st hand with him, he is a Columbian silver star. SB is a whale
Preflop ($0.35) Hero is BB with K A
UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.10, UTG calls $2.35, SB folds
Flop ($6.95) 7 T 4
Hero bets $3.32, UTG calls $3.32
Turn ($13.59) 7 T 4 K
Hero bets $6.49, UTG raises to $18.93 and is all in, Hero calls $12.09 and is all in
I am not sure of the turn here. Generally I view turn raises as the nuts, but here the K, I would have expected most of his sets to raise the flop, right or wrong, I think thats the generral tendencies, so I was downplaying his sets combos, and thought I should make the call as he could be jamming the 9 nut flush draw combos, and since he is unknown maye, AK or worse.

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Samu Patronen 10 years, 1 month ago

Sick spot. I would probably just end up calling but definitely not happy about it. He can definitely have TT, maybe 77 or even 44. Only bluffs he can have are pretty much AhQh and AhJh. Not sure how often he plays bluffs and sets like this. Pretty close spot.

I would definitely fold if we had Ah, since we would block pretty much every bluffing hand that he can potentially have. Without Ah I would probably end up calling most of the time. Not sure if Kh has any kind of effect.

ytyttyler 10 years, 1 month ago

I think it really depends on the villain at this limit he easily could be doing this spew with A10 if he is a agro fish. He may have even floated KQ and just thinks you are bluffing with tons of straight and flush draws. Not to mention you tie all the other AK. I think that wouldve raised his sets on the flop there is no reason for him to pick this point to do it if he was slow playing them.

When he bets the pot like this you need to be calling him with AK as it is high in your range here. and you need to be defending 50% of the time or he can print money with this jam

Knoxox 10 years, 1 month ago

I'm bet/folding. I think it's more likely that he slowplays a set OTF than that he would call a draw to raise the turn or GII with worse. Especially on this turn I don't expect him to get too crazy because fishes like to put you on AK.

jaypatel33 10 years, 1 month ago

Yea generally agree with your analysis, he can defo have all sets, but I wanted to down weight them cos most villains get scared and raise flop, but of course he is free to just call the flop. If the flop was rainbow and he flats then raises turn, I think it makes more sense for it to be a set and I think I would more easily fold.

But I also think generally most guys just call with flush draws here and play passive, but he is unknown, so he may have any AhXx combos jamming, but again I think that usually doesn't happen. This decision was based on more on my reasoning for him fast playing his sets rather than jamming his draws.

Knoxox 10 years, 1 month ago

It's not because he's unknown that he might jam random stuff. An unknown 25nl villain has 2pair+ here >80% of the time and the other 20% of the time it's something that has a lot of equity.
For me this is an easy fold because I assume that villain always has it untill I have a read that he spazzes here and not the other way around (thinking he spazzes until you have a read he doesn't).

jaypatel33 10 years, 1 month ago

yea thinking about this more, I think I agree knoxox, even though slow play is unliley, its still more likely a slow play rather than a jam

ILoseFlips 10 years, 1 month ago

Hi,

Not sure about the flop line, his range is pretty strong for calling a squeeze UTG so I don't think we have a lot of FE...

OTT, we can't be sure he is raising sets OTF but we can't be sure he is slowplaying too, so let's give him half combos: (3x3)/2 = about 5 combos of sets, the only other realistic hand he could be shoving for value is KTs = 2 combos and let's add 1 combo of slowplayed AA. So it's make a total of about 8 combos that crush you. (I don't know if he has hands like K4s, K7s or KTo in his range so maybe 10 combos is better)

Now what is he shoving that we beat? Hum, not a lot, maybe KQcc and KJcc that he floats and decides to go broke with. We are blocking KQhh and KJhh and he is probably shoving OTF anyway. Same thing with AJhh, AQhh I think he shoves on the flop. He sometimes can have QJhh that he decides to not go broke with OTF. We sometimes split against some AK and that's it, so not a lot of combos.

The only other hands we beat are random spews with AT, AQo, AJo, 89... but we don't have reads for that and the problem is that we are representing pretty strong preflop and postflop so I don't think it's a really good bluffing spot for Villain.

With no read I think I would fold, we are too often beat here if Villain isn't spewy.

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