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NL200 ZOOM - flop float weird raise

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NL200 ZOOM - flop float weird raise

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Villain is SN on Stars

21/17 AF2.6 AFQ 28
W$WSF 40

WTSD 24

Flop: looks a bit like a tilt raise. having a raisingrange in that spot is a little retarded if your not exploiting UTG, and thats definately not the case. i have a perfect float hands since i block a set and have a few backdoors. UTG tanks his timebank down and calls. hes a nit. i think his range contains more OPs, OESD and AA/KK. i think e would fastplay 99. so just weighting his range i litlle towards hand i beat.


Turn: dafuq, im lost, ....


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JuStAWicKEdDud3 11 years, 5 months ago

okay def agree on the fold turn. but definately not on fold flop or cold 3bet flop. i dont ever think he keeps bluffinfg OTT if he is called OTF. Jes, he could possibly raise a set OTF. but IF he is capable of raising a set, - which is just not a good raise -   he could be capable of raising a hands like a BDFD/BDSD like QJs or JTs. which would be a great play if hero folds 99% of his range and UTG is a nit (and only goes to river with sets). 

his turnrange is TcJc,QcJc, 99,66. i had to call the turn if he wouldnt overbet...

Parker Muir 11 years, 5 months ago

Cold 3b the flop is better because it forces UTG to fold basically everything. Also you do not let CO realize his equity, with his bluffs. I think it achieves the result you want in a much cleaner way than overcalling.


JuStAWicKEdDud3 11 years, 5 months ago

my cold call on the flop looks as strong as a cold 3bet. if his bluffs would have more EQ i would definately agree - like OESDs or at least GSs. but since his draws are backdoors he will shut down on the majority of turncards.

lets assume i raise. i make it 55$. this should make him fold his bluffs and proceed only with his sets. even if he raises AA he has to fold that. UTG has a cbet of 80% so tends to cbet a bit too lose. i guess we can expect him to fold at least 90% of the time. to make it a bit easier i ignore him and take a few combos off of MPs range wich looks to me like:

AA (2) 33,66,99 (7), QdJd,QsJs,QcJc,JdTd,JsTs,JcTc (6 combos)

i risk 55$ to win (30$+10$+16$)=56$

i need 50% FEQ to make it break even. assuming he folds AA/draws (8 combos) and proceeds only with sets (7) it should not show any profit or loss -> ~0EV

same assumtions on the float.

i call the flop and basically risk 30$ to win the pot. i expect him to split his range OTT almost 100% of the cases. but to not assume best case scenario i take 10% FEQ OTT since UTG can overcall and i´ll take another 20% because he could c/c AA or c/r his sets. this gives me 75% FEQ OTT if i call the flop.

i call 30$. the turn pot is 86$.

he checks about 60% ( mentioned AA/ "c/r attempts" and his air) wich are 75% c/f.

means 86$ x 60% x 75% = 38,7$ TurnEV - 30$ flopcall ~9$ EV


wether i call or raise both options have advatages. and since i/we cant allways hit ranges 100% right both moves seem to show about the same EV -> break even

though, if there is any positive EV in this spot i would rather float given the small EQ of his bluffs and his rangesplit on the turn.

R0b5ter 11 years, 5 months ago

Really don't think anything you say that can justify the flop call. It's a call bluff and you are basically hoping for a lot of circumstances to take place so that you can try and bluff at the pot later. Just fold and move to next hand.

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