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NL200 Do we make a LOLTOPOFMYRANGEICAWL-Call? Quick checkup

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NL200 Do we make a LOLTOPOFMYRANGEICAWL-Call? Quick checkup

SB: bahatsman: $204
BB: Itjustwontstop: $222.57
HJ: Baguette91: $215.30
CO: MaHeJo1: $215.60
BN: lissiriechtgut: $467.12
Preflop ($3.00) (5 Players)
Itjustwontstop was dealt 6 4
Baguette91 folds, MaHeJo1 folds, lissiriechtgut folds, bahatsman raises to $5, Itjustwontstop calls $4
Flop ($12.00) 4 J 3 (2 Players)
bahatsman checks, Itjustwontstop bets $7, bahatsman calls $7
Turn ($26.00) 4 (2 Players)
bahatsman checks, Itjustwontstop bets $18, bahatsman raises to $58, Itjustwontstop calls $40
River ($142.00) A (2 Players)
Itjustwontstop calls $133
Action got f'ed up, he ships, I call.
I had a discussion w a friend about this one, so here goes. I think it was a very std call for me at the time, bc
a) I'm very close to the top of my range and there are barely any combos I could call if I fold here
b) There are so few combos villain can have and we can discount some of them, the way that hand played out.
Villains rfi in the SB is only 27, I guess that leaves him w even less 4x-hands. We had no relevant history for that spot.

So his valuerange consists of JJ,33,A4s and some (?) A4o-combos. ~9 combos, so he only has to have 3 combos in his bluffingrange, correct? (neglecting the fact that he could have some 4x-hands we are splitting with)

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Becks 12 years, 2 months ago
Pre i prefer 3betting. Yes he has to be bluffing with about 3 combos. But what can he be bluffing with? He would have to turn pairs into a Bluff or randomly c/r bluff AK AQ KQ instead of 2ndbarreling them.
james 12 years, 2 months ago
What people should do and what they actually do are often very different things ;) . I should clarify though that I don't think AJ or 56ss play like this very often but every little bit helps when you're looking for combos you can beat in a spot like this.
WM2K 12 years, 2 months ago
Do you have much of a c/r bluff range here OTT? If not then I don t like the raise much at all as you have a 4 basically always.
tozzy 12 years, 2 months ago
We are in the BB ;)
And yes, i prefer 3-b too most of the time, but he has a high 4-b% and as I said a rather low ats so it plays ok-ish IP,
WM2K 12 years, 2 months ago
Oops lol ya. I totally misread it before. Now this makes a lot more sense.
I don t think you need to really worry about his 4 betting. As long as your jamming enough to make up for it you can 3 bet this kind of stuff quite a bit still. Its perhaps better then if he doesnt have a 3 bet calling range as your throwing away a hand with minimal equity.

OTR ya thats a pretty rude spot. Turn c/r tend to be really strong so I can definitely see an argument for believing him esp as he took a c/c, c/r line that suggests a trap or a mid pair kind of hand that wasnt into c betting.
2blave 12 years, 2 months ago
I agree w/WM2K. Preflop can go either way imo, but I can't see calling the river. Yes it's exploitable, but I think what will actually happen is you exploit villain. It would be very strange for someone to take this line as a bluff, although the line is strange for value too. "a trap or a mid pair kind of hand" is exactly what I expect to see - trips better kicker or full house.

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