[NL200] 3B Pot OOP, 2nd barrel with OESD, which rivers to bluff ?

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[NL200] 3B Pot OOP, 2nd barrel with OESD, which rivers to bluff ?

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (3 Players) SB: $167.21
BB: $200.00 (Hero)
BN: $204.48
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is BB with 9 T
BN raises to $5.00, SB folds, Hero raises to $20.00, BN calls $15.00
Flop ($41.00) 5 8 3
Hero bets $24.00, BN calls $24.00
Turn ($89.00) 5 8 3 J
Hero bets $48.00, BN calls $48.00

Villain is a coach on RiO (Jonas Smailys), which is specialized in very SH and HU play (me, it's more Full Ring and 6 max).

I don't know which cards are good for my range OTR on this board (very dry) ? Heart / high cards / bricks ?

His range is quite wide OTB, mine seems tighter OOP.

Flop with 2 overs + a ton of backdoor seems a mandatory cbet. Turn CR seems spewy, x/f seems weak, x/c seems bad, so I bet again...

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iMRUSh 9 years, 6 months ago

I think he has more nutted combos, but still better flop to the PFR. You can cbet even smaller I think but it's okay. On the turn a bigger cbet works better maybe, anyway you played it okay. The best cards on the turn for your range I assume the broadways...

Disharmonist 9 years, 6 months ago

I would say a Q or 7 works out well OTR...

I just know which cards I wouldnt wanna bluff on most times; river 8 or J, any heart (villain has some bd flushes and you might want to check your single pair hands on a flush river), a 9 or T as it gives you sdv and makes you now a winner against 8x.

Peter Jennings 9 years, 6 months ago

There's no possible pair+sd hands in his range so when he peels this turn his range should be fairly tight. We can expect 65s/54s to fold turn, as well as 44/66/77.

This leave his range that gets to the river mostly ... 33 55 88 78s 89s 67s 99 TT AJcc AJss ... some backdoor floats like A2/A4. Those fold the turn if they aren't hearts though, and some occasional preflop slowplays.

So the cards that miss him the most are A/K/Q/J/T/2/3/4/5...

Hearts seem about a wash as you will both have a roughly equal number here.

A/K/Q clearly your best cards...

J and T is better for you, 9 is questionable, 8 is his best card, 7 seems better for him, 6 appears to be a brick helping no one. 5 better for you as he should have no 5x aside from 55 which now he has only 1 combo. 4 is neutral, 3, same thing as 5, 2 is neutral.

Callbetme 9 years, 5 months ago

Why a K is better for hero? I only see KJ or KK on hero s range, he will never double barreling KQ or AK or KT in this board.
I am agree that the villain dont have Kx in his range but i think that hero doesnt have more Kx than villain.

FIVEbetbLUFF 9 years, 5 months ago

A king helps us as we have KQhh KThh K9hh as well as some K2hh K4hh because i assume we fairly polar from the BB as the 3bettor (bc we get great price closing action). The king doesn't help us often but it never helps him as K8s and occasional KJs flop float. We also improve with our KJs/KK combos to stronger hands

BritneySpears 9 years, 5 months ago

I gave some ranges with CREV (which i think are reasonable) for both players to the turn, and i used propokertools to check the river equity of SB on any card. (dont know how to do that with CREV).
I come up with those results. As I thought, River Q is a very strong card for SB. Surprisingly enough the Ace river is not awesome.
But most surprising is the river T which is the very best card for our range.
Seems thats its because our air-gutter on the turn makes a pair fairly often catching a T, maybe thats not a good enough reason to bluff on the T river with a super high frequency, Im still not very sure.
Anyway, my results, FWIW!
(We can discuss the ranges into more details if you're interested but I think I did an ok job here)

Chael Sonnen 9 years, 5 months ago

Betting because of your hand equity and fold equity is good, but remember that you are not repping a ton of value combos, assuming you are usually not betting worse than a Jack for value, so checking back to bluff river and rep some slowplays or 8x is good too.

If you bluff any draw, your range will be way too bluffheavy, assuming you 4bet most of your big pairs pre-flop.

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