Nl20 resteal postflop play
Posted by guljo
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Nl20 resteal postflop play
BB: Hero: $27.56
UTG: UTG: $19.29
HJ: MP: $38.54
CO: CO: $8.50
BN: BTN: $20.80
SB: SB: $9.21
UTG: UTG: $19.29
HJ: MP: $38.54
CO: CO: $8.50
BN: BTN: $20.80
SB: SB: $9.21
He is 21/15 after 111 hands, steal from BTN 55% Fold to 3b 67%
Preflop
($0.30)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
5
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $1.20
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.60, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.80, BTN calls $1.20
Flop
($3.90)
K
Q
7
(2 Players)
Hero bets $2.22,
BTN calls $2.22
Turn
($8.34)
K
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BTN bets $4,
Hero calls $4
I was willing to give up on most turns. But when K paired his range weighted towards draws.
Looking at it now 2nd barrel seems best.
Idea in the game was to call one OTT and than call one more on blank turn.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
Looking at it now 2nd barrel seems best.
Idea in the game was to call one OTT and than call one more on blank turn.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
River
($16.34)
J
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BTN checks
Final Pot
BTN has
A
Q
BTN
wins $15.34
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If we give him on the turn, Kx, Qx, AJ/AT/JT some club draws, I guess maybe a couple stubborn 7x, we are prolly close to 50/50 vs that range. How to play the turn depends on his tendencies. If hes gunna bet all his draws and floats c/c is prolly better, we definitely arent ahead of his calling range if we bet and im not sure that we gain enough back by folding out his equity. I also think it makes the river harder to play vs his draws because hell call turn bluff the river, but if we c/c the turn I think he just checks back the river (Which is why I dont like your plan of calling a blank river).
On the turn, if you strongly feel like he doesn't have a king (which I would agree with), I would suggest you go for the x/r, since your Q5 is not going to win against another queen. Of course, it's easy to say with 20/20 hindsight, but my point is that your decision on the turn is all or nothing, and you should either raise or fold.
Because of the club draws, if I played this hand, I probably would have raised the turn. AK is also a part of our BB 3b range, so our opponent would have a very difficult decision on his hands if he has a queen, and we're going to get reraised if he has a king, giving us enough information to fold right then and there.
We can't really raise/fold the turn with stack sizes tho, especially if he bets a bigger amount like say $6. I really like the plan tho at this betsize because I think its much more indicative of thin value than a Kx or a float, but if he bet more, im not sure, because then how often is he actually betting Qx like that? He checks it back some % of the time, so we are just either putting it in dead vs Kx, or pushing him off a draw or float, which we are already ahead of. No idea math wise which is better at that point
Agreed, if he bets more a fold would be in order.
I dont think that any q will fold the turn after a 2nd FD comes down
Once again position position position and hand selection...ur watching to many tom dwan videos...those plays he makes are versus thinking players who r pros...my point is q5dd has little to no equity postflop vs someone who calls a 3bet in position...i get that ur trying to resteal but u should b very careful doing that w such a weak hand and as the BB....having said that u and i know that these players at these stakes will never fold 2ndpr/tk...u will never b able to bluff him off of that hand at these stakes....NEVER!!!...ur plan was to resteal but then postflop u flat twice....a check raise either on the flop or ott would throw up some red flags on his end... if ur going to steal or resteal pf u cant go soft postflop...ur basically telling him okay its cool to take me to value town on 2 or more streets cuz i dont want to lose my pf investment so ill just c/c flop and turn then check the river...if ur putting money into the pot postflop by just calling after u 3bet oop u look very weak...if ur plan is aggression this hand then be aggresive...in my opinion ur story in this hand is not credible...c/r the flop then reassess if he flats....i get that the k on the turn lowers the chances that he has a k in his range but that to me is ur excuse for not seeing the bigger overall picture....
Looking more at this hand it seems more and more like a x/f on the turn to me. Even though there are two K and we block one Q his range is still full of it. There are just not many draws in his range.
If his range OTT is something like:JTs, AhQh, AcQc, KhQh, AsJs, AcJc, KdJd, KhJh, QhJh, QcJc, AsTs, AcTc, KdTd, KhTh, QhTh, QcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, AdQh, AdQc, AhQc, AsQh, AsQc, AcQh, KdQh, KdQc, KhQc, KdJh, KdJs, KdJc, KhJd, KhJs, KhJc, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QcJd, QcJh, QcJs . We have a poor 20% equity. And I even excluded all AA-QQ and AK assuming he 4b it PF.

Check raise is more interesting though. If we CR to 10 than we need our bluff to work 45%. His defined range contains 42 combos of which 14 contain a K. He should fold 19 combos for us to break even. JTs, QJ, QT, A9s, A8s, AQ total of 24 combos, without AQ only 18 combos. It doesnt look like a clear EV+ play.Regarding hand selection. What hands would you choose for 54% BTN resteal?
I think you can give him AJo, ATo and a lot more suited combos for flush draw
Hm.. which ones do you have in mind? What do you think his (or optimal) BTN resteal defense should look like. I am personally using this ones as suggested in Donkr GTO articles: Dark blue: flat, bright blue: 4b
well Im not assuming he has a perfect defense strat picked out, just that I figure hell be calling AJo and ATo to your 3 bet a lot, and always calling flop with them
If we think he has a solid opening and defending strat, surely 3 betting as wide as Q5s cant be profitable?
Q5 is not a profitable 3bet resteal...he needs to b 3betting a lot more often and his vpip needs to b higher in order for us to b 3 or 4betting with garbage...u have to fight fire w fire not fire with a water gun...ull never win...as far as BB hands that r good to resteal with r any pair and anything suited or connected no more then one or two gappers...ur oop u need strength to make moves...from the co or btn is a different story...and remember dont fall in love with ur hand just cuz ur the aggressor and u hit 2nd pair...when he is flating ur raise and then ur bet u have to ask urself y would he b flating here...its one of two things hes either strong or hes setting up a bluff for a later street...and when u give up on the turn it doesn't matter if its for value or a bluff u have to ask urself if I make this call how big is the call im going to have to make on the river going to b and is my hand strong enough to make that call and if the answer is no its either time for a check raise or time to dump it and wait for a better spot....
Well, we need to have a (wide) flatting range with polarized 3b range.
The defense range I assigned to him is 13% of all hands, so he is still folding 40% to out 3b resteal. Also I expect him to fold a bunch to my CBs. And as such making 3b resteal profitable. I agree Q5s might be a bit to wide. Here comes my question what range is optimal against 55% steal?
For comparison, this is an optimal blind defense against 35% steal from BTN suggested in Donkr GTO articles:
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