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nl20 100bbs 3bet pot diferents lines preflop, on flop, turn and river

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nl20 100bbs 3bet pot diferents lines preflop, on flop, turn and river

CO: goldo_pouce: 24.95
BN: flairsou77: 19.90
SB: D.W.N: 28.67
BB: UnSk1lleD: 20.60
HJ: s0rry4Ddelay: 24.62
I don't know what I did wrong (again) but my cards are Qd Ah
Preflop (0.30) (5 Players)
s0rry4Ddelay raises to 0.50, goldo_pouce folds, flairsou77 raises to 1.65, D.W.N calls 1.55, UnSk1lleD folds, s0rry4Ddelay calls 1.15
Flairsou is a 25/23 18,4 3bet fold to 4bet 33 cbet (87 flop, 54 turn 50 river) in 488 hands
D.W.N is 42/0 in 68 hands

maybe here 4bet could be an option but I want keep the fish in the hand and I don't want play a 4bet pot vs "agro" without position and I think that my Ace high has some showdown value in dry boards, so my plan is call cbets on flop turn and rivers if the board is good for my range or it's dry enought
Flop (5.15) 8 8 6 (3 Players)
D.W.N checks, s0rry4Ddelay checks, flairsou77 bets 2.75, D.W.N folds, s0rry4Ddelay calls 2.75
Turn (10.65) 8 8 6 A (2 Players)
s0rry4Ddelay checks, flairsou77 checks
Here my decission is X-C. I want he continue bluffing (board is perfect for that) and with an Ace i think I can't fold vs this kind of player
River (10.65) 8 8 6 A Q (2 Players)
s0rry4Ddelay checks, flairsou77 bets 8, s0rry4Ddelay calls 8
River is not the best card in de deck....
I have top 2 but table is really cordinatted right now, and I have 3 options: bet this river and fold to the raise (I think if this player raise have always full house or big flushes, so Im bluffing my hand) X-fold is of course an option (because he has some clubs in his range) but X-call is a good option I think, cause he can continue bluffing and he could check behind with 9c Tc or Jc and he is not folding this cards if I'm betting this river
Final Pot
s0rry4Ddelay has Q A flairsou77 has Q Q flairsou77 wins 24.92
So my final question is: how do you play this hand preflop, in flop, in turn and in river??

thanks!!!

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Daz 11 years, 1 month ago

PREFLOP

Preflop is a pivotal decision point because:

1) Calling 3bets OOP is never a good idea without solid postflop reads on the villain. 

2) Depending on how narrow/wide your HJ opening range is AQ can be lumped into your 4bet value or 4bet bluff range. Usually a HJ range ISN'T wide enough for AQ to be 4bet for value but there are exceptions: a) villain is a preflop maniac b) villain has a wide preflop stack off range

3) How do you construct your 4bet bluff range overall? What might your GTO ranges look like?

4) the SB cold calls the 3bet which is likely a pocket pair, sometimes AK/AQ/AJs loose KQs - so now you playing versus a suspected polar range- BTN and a widened value range - SB. 

-I'm inclined to fold preflop. It may look overly tight but i'm thinking about how the hand will play postflop sandwiched between two players and i can't seem to think anything good will happen unless it comes down AKJ QQx or AQx hhh

FLOP

Floating here with AQ and no club blockers may mean you floating too much, and more so given another player in the pot. Remember the 3bettor is cbetting versus a cold calling range that is likely pocketpair heavy and the board is favourable for pocket pairs.

-FOLD

TURN

-check/call. Your reasoning/logic is sound and valid. 

RIVER

-check.. decide. And you may need more info to get an accurate idea of whether to call or fold. I'm expecting an aggro villain to bluff here nearly 100% of the time, what i'm not sure is how much of his river range is bluffs given that i'm giving his flop cbet more credit. Would he turn a showdown hand into a bluff? 

S0rry4Ddelay 11 years, 1 month ago

Ok Thanks for use your time writing about my hand.

Thinking about it maybe 4bet-fold could be a good line also, any way on the flop I have to learn to fold more, float oop without any club blocker it's a mistake!!

Thanks!!

mplecki23 11 years, 1 month ago

if he's 3b 18%, and a fish overcalled, I think I'd want to get more money in PF with AQ. You're very far ahead of both their ranges. Calling is fine too. Flop is close, as even though he's cbet 87% in 3b pots, he's doing it through a cold calling fish, and you. AQ is likely still a call. On the river, I'd definitely dont want to be betting with AQ. I would think IF he cbet broadway one club hands, he'd likely bet the turn, so that doesn't leave him with a lot of clubs on the river to be betting. He'd probably check back river red 99-KK, and bet the ones with clubs. If he has JTss or K9dd he might stab the river. I don't know how many of those he'd actually 3b pf iwth a fish behind, as well as cbetting those hands. So those would be up to you to play around with to see how often he has to have those for a call to be good.

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