NL100 ZOOM - Top trips vs river bomb
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NL100 ZOOM - Top trips vs river bomb
BN: $189.71
SB: $103.07
BB: $116.46 (Hero)
UTG: $37.73
HJ: $80.78
CO: $220.36
SB: $103.07
BB: $116.46 (Hero)
UTG: $37.73
HJ: $80.78
CO: $220.36
aggro regular 24/21 11%3b 2.7AF
Rfi BTN : 34% and bet F/T/R 78/73/60
Rfi BTN : 34% and bet F/T/R 78/73/60
Preflop
($1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
A
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $3, SB folds, Hero calls $2
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $3, SB folds, Hero calls $2
felt like just calling preflop was best as villain had high 4bet% and low button open i did not want to 3bet/5b.
Flop
($6.50)
Q
2
4
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $3,
Hero calls $3
Should maybe x/r here when he bets halfpot im not sure. Im probably too value heavy on this board if I start x/r'n AQ
Turn
($12.50)
Q
2
4
6
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $9,
Hero calls $9
note villain goes from betting halfpot to 3/4 pot.
Calling seems best
Calling seems best
River
($30.50)
Q
2
4
6
Q
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $29
now pots river when its pretty obvious we have Qx...?
call/fold?
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seems like a simple mistimed bluuf/misread to me.
Assuming you are folding low pairs pre or raising your sets otf/ott, you are at the absolute top of your range. Call.
I would not be folding low pairs pre (should i be? :s) and I don't call the turn with say 99 so although im near the top of my range I feel like he thinks im never folding so his sizing makes me think hes never bluffing.
im incredibly happy to get it in here. hes gonna be shoving QJ,QK,AQ all for value and is gonna show up with air some amount of the time. i say your good here about 60% of the time. CALL!
By get it in I assume you mean call? I find it hard to believe villain plays QJ like this given his sizing on every street.
p.s I know this hand looks like 'lol call' but so many times I get in these spots and something feels off, tell myself folding is insane, click call and lose.
Yeah, but you could lose nearly 2 out of 3 times here and still be making the right decision. 66 and 35s are the only things that make a ton of sense, unless he increases bet size every street with flopped trips. I think there may be enough Qx and missed turned FD in his range to call. Ok, there are like, not a lot of Qx in his opening range anymore, but still. If the FD hadn't turned and then bricked, you might be more scared, but if you think there are some 'std cbet- semi bluff- river bluff' lines in his game, then there's probably enough combos that you beat.
If you think he opens 35s but not 35o, there are only 13 combos that beat you… 35s(4), 22(3), 44(3), 66(3). Ok, maybe he opened Q[2,4,6]s, but the river Q blocks half of those combos now. Even if you give him one combo each, that's only another 3, so 16 hands you're behind. Can you really not think of 8 hands that take this line other than those? AA? KK? Worse Qx? Turned and busted FD? Even JJ-TT?
On another note, assuming the pre flop call is about the same EV as a pre flop 3bet, did you ever consider leading this flop?
I don't think he is ever value cutting himself here with AA. Idk folding probably is bad but I really wanted to fold in game and when he tabled his hand I probably just got results oriented. For example if he did show up with 78hh I wouldn't have posted the hand. Same being true for if he bet say $23 OTR.
I think x/c'n is better vs someone with these high cbet and barrell stats.
Against this player that is cbetting a lot and then barreling a lot i would be ck/rasinig a lot of hands like A3, A5, Ax with BDFD, KT with BDFD etc. AQ is nuts on this flop and i would also ck/r because my perceived range contains lots of bluffs and i'm getting paid off; i would probably ck/r KQ too. I would ck/c 2-3 times with hands like QJ, QT.
River sucks but i don't really find a fold given his high barreling frequencies. I think those are cbets on F/T/R, if they were bets he would have a huge agg factor.
Yeah, I wasn't sure if those were bets or cbets, either. But he does seem to barrel a lot, which argues for call regardless of what he tabled. If he's the kind of guy that bets way much, it's an exploitative call (remembering that you'll need to do it in many situations to show profit.) And if he's the kind of guy who only bets value, then it's an exploitative fold.
And okaygo, I totally hear where you're coming from - ordinary wins don't get posted in forums, so you either lost or folded and never knew. I think it's a little closer than most people would, but even if he showed me 66, I'd still be happy with the call.
If it were value, I'd certainly note the escalating bet size and then churn through my database on him to see where he's taken similar lines. If it's always for value, or almost always for value, against me or others, than that'll make him easy to play against. Do you have enough hands on him to check that out?
nah not enough hands unfortunately as its from zoom. He ended up having 35s which I think makes his sizing interesting. I'm assuming his logic was he can call x/r more comfortably on flop vs small bet and also barrell more vs my x.c range which will be wider. But yeah I will definitely pay attention to his sizing in future pots!
Wow, yeah, and it's notable that he potted the river when he lost the nuts. But like you say, you were repping a Q the whole way down.
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