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[NL100] Range construction SBvsBU 3b Pot on 8d7d5c2cQd on Turn+River?!?!

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[NL100] Range construction SBvsBU 3b Pot on 8d7d5c2cQd on Turn+River?!?!

Hey Guys,

so I came across a hand which I thought was somewhat standard tlill the river.After a quick analysis I realized, that I don't really know how to exactly construct a theoretically "optimal" range.

Preflop: BU minraise-steals, SB 3bets to 8bb (15% Range), BU calls ( ~13-14% Range so all suited aces, suited broadways, some SCs+some 1gappers, all PPs up to 99...it doesn't really matter THAT much due to the postflopaction.)

SB barrels Flop+Turn, BU calls

The Board is

Now my question is:

We are pretty much only betting flushes on the river for value I believe?!That should make a total of 13-15 combos, which menas we can have around 4-5 bluffcombos.What hands are good bluffinghands?

How should/can we construct our turnbarrel range, so that we can defend 60% of our check-range on the river?
Obvious valuebets OTT with JJ/KK/AA and even QQ are not clear valuebets on that river and our FDs on the turn have improved to the nuts most likely.
So if we bet any diamond FD + the backdoorflushdraws (without a pair) with JT+/AXcc(+GS/str8 draw)OTF and OTT we end up with a weird range composition on the river.

We have to giveup alot of busted clubdraws and x/c hands like JdJx/Td/Tx/AdAx/KdKx even QQ/88 in order to not allow our opponent autoprofit when we check the river, but it is still not enough (we end up check/folding >50%) .
Should we really be calling all AA/KK hands here (what about AcQc,KcQc)?
Should we put flushes in our check/call rang OTR or should we bluff even less with clubs OTT, so that our whole checking range isn't that big OTR?

looking forward to hear some oppinions

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Disharmonist 10 years ago

Having a x/calling range OTR is unneccessary: I dont see enough ppl who call twice with complete trash and bluff river, or call with TT and bluff the river with sdv. The rest of hands are draws that have improved to a flush. Maybe T9s (non diamonds) might call twice and bluff river but not much else.

datredline 10 years ago

I don't agree, he could have peeled a ton of club combos, like JcTc, AcQc, Tc9c, KcQc, Ac4c etc... you can't really check/fold a hand like JdJx, TdTx or hat about AdAx etc.

It might be true that the avarage reg on NL100 isn't bluffing as much as he maybe should in that spot, but I find that spot just interesting in general.

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