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nl100 87s

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nl100 87s

UTG+1 unknown reg, SB 60/30 34hands

Probably I should have folded flop but with the bdfd i decided to call once.
What should I do OTT?

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Limp Limpson 10 years, 3 months ago

fold pf I think,

as played you can try to x/r flop, we have some outs and a backdoor. Obv you rep extremely narrow range, but this is SSNL, so we can hope that he is just gonna giveup, since you are unknown to him too. Im not sure. Anyway if you x/c, you have to be ready to x/r bluff certain turns, which can be a bit more expensive, since you're gonna play a guessing game a lot.

no idea ott....looks like a draw trying to put pressure on our weak and capped range, but then again, this is ssnl a people generally dont bluff like this (I play nl50, but Ive been told that difference isnt that big)

screamdustry 10 years, 3 months ago

i do not like to miss opportunity to play decent hand vs fish in position, so i dont see folding us here preflop
on flop is tough, but he is betting there FD,overpairs, Top pairs, sometimes backdoors such us JT.. so it is ev+ call

However, the problem is that later on every street we may receive a lot of pressure from him and we do not have stats on him to set gameplan properly.. you folding pretty much against his bet/bet line and bet/x/bet line

thats why fold on flop is better in the longrun here than calling

Will Winaton 10 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the answers.
I think PF is pretty easy call, and as I said flop is most likely a fold. Maybe raising is fine as well if I raise some of my sets. However, I dont think we have too much FE on the flop.

What I'm really curious about is that as played, what I should do on the turn.

Betman 10 years, 3 months ago

I have no much idea what he would bet this size, but if he has only 4 combos of set and it really doesn't look like you have 2P there, I can't see a reason to not go all-in OTT.

PhisyFishy 10 years, 3 months ago

Pre is definitely a call for the odds you are getting. I'm pretty sure its not even close.

Flop is close, i think xF, xC and xR are all fine tbh. I think it's going to be pretty close to a neutral decision. Although if you are folding this turn, xC can't be too good!

Turn seems like a clear jam. You block 88 and 77 (which might not bet the flop), he shouldn't be overbetting QQ because it makes it so much less likely you have a Q. So if you lose, i think it's gonna be to 22 or possibly the one combo of 88. He can have so many draws and combo draws, possibly even AA/KK that i don't think you can ever fold this hand. I'd happily stack off.

Will Winaton 10 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for the answer!
I wasn't considering folding as an option. I was thinking about calling, or shoving. Im not sure whether we want to have a call range here or not tbh.
My thought process was exactly like what you wrote, so I shoved.

Betman 10 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, thought u were thinking about folding hahah.
Well, pot is gonna be $82 and your stack will be $30 if u call. In my opinion raise is better because he is gonna be in a (good) draw very often. But maybe u understand that better than me, I play NL25. If u think he can be betting air, u could just call.

IM_IT_7 10 years, 3 months ago

Considering his position, and a 3$ PF raise, after checking the flop and he having position over you two, the amount he bets its really helpfull to put him in a more specific range such as AQ,KQ, KK, AA, or just betting air... After you calling the Flop, and checking the turn, the size he bets its because he puts you in a flush draw, having two pair here, i think the best play to do here is to push...

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