NL100 3way facing donks w/ OP
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NL100 3way facing donks w/ OP
SB: $84.66
BB: $241.09
CO: $100 (Hero)
BN: $100
BB: $241.09
CO: $100 (Hero)
BN: $100
BU is a Reg 25/18/9
SB is a Fish 36/6/1.3 over 428 hands;
AFq F/T/R: 26/30/31; AF: 2.4; Flop Donk: 16%; WWSF: 43%; WTSD: 20%
BB is a Reg 27/18/9.1 over 159 hands
AFq 32/35/15; AF: 2.6; WWSF: 46% (28); WTSD: 25%
SB is a Fish 36/6/1.3 over 428 hands;
AFq F/T/R: 26/30/31; AF: 2.4; Flop Donk: 16%; WWSF: 43%; WTSD: 20%
BB is a Reg 27/18/9.1 over 159 hands
AFq 32/35/15; AF: 2.6; WWSF: 46% (28); WTSD: 25%
Preflop
($1.50)
(4 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
K
Hero raises to $3, BN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2
Hero raises to $3, BN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2
Flop
($12.00)
4
2
5
(4 Players)
SB bets $3,
BB raises to $10,
Hero calls $10,
BN folds,
SB calls $7
BBs Flop raising range includes 55-44,22,A3s,54s,A3o (maybe discouted A3o), middle pockets like 77-TT (even thoug in game I didnt expect him to raise something like 88) and some bluffs. So calling should be fine and raising just isolates me against better hands.
Turn
($42.00)
4
(3 Players)
SB bets $21,
BB calls $21,
Hero calls $21
The 4 is actually not a bad card, discounting some set and 2pair combinations from the BBs range, besides the SB should not have too many 4x combos.
I only need 20% Equity to call +ev but the river will be very ugly to play. SB has $50 left on the River and I'll have $66 after calling the turn.
If I'd be HU against the fish I think shoving is best but 3way with the reg I doubt I can shove +ev. What do you think?
I only need 20% Equity to call +ev but the river will be very ugly to play. SB has $50 left on the River and I'll have $66 after calling the turn.
If I'd be HU against the fish I think shoving is best but 3way with the reg I doubt I can shove +ev. What do you think?
River
($105.00)
2
(3 Players)
SB bets $25.33,
BB calls $25.33
I guess I would have folded to a shove+call but the fish just leads out for a quarter of the pot, giving me odds of 16% to call.
The river decreases the combos of boats even more. The BB has only #7 boats and another #16 A3 whitch beat me additionally he might call with hands like 77-TT. I think I should not be to worried about the SBs range which will be fairly loose since he is a fish.
The river decreases the combos of boats even more. The BB has only #7 boats and another #16 A3 whitch beat me additionally he might call with hands like 77-TT. I think I should not be to worried about the SBs range which will be fairly loose since he is a fish.
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What are your thoughts on the hand?
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tough spot. I don't like that the loose passive fish leads the turn again.
On the turn i think you can discount the reg from having much of a hand, and his river flat call prob means a hand like 66-TT. In a different spot, the regs flat call would mean a much stronger hand, but here, he didn't raise the fish AND the board texture makes it impossible for him to have much more.
Its really hard to know what fish is repping. I doubt he plays 5x this way tho, and I want to give him a terrbily played 4 (34, A4, 46).
I think the turn is a fold. A loose passive fish is leading into 2 players again, after getting flop raised. Also, on the flop he was scared (sizing), now he's pretty confident. For over-calling to be good, the fish has to be overvaluing a 5 ( which loose passive fish don't do by leading).
Its gross, but you need a bunch of things happen for calling to be good. Also, the reg can have flush draws, so of the times when you are ahead, you can still lose on river another 30-40% ( flush draws + fish's outs).
Easily being behind + losing to lots of river cards + loose passive fish coming alive = fold
There are a couple of things I don`t understand in this spot
1) Why do you call the flop raise on this board without even closing the action ? Can we profitably call it down 3 streets with 2 players in the pot ?
2) Marrek says the turn is a fold. Why would you call the flop to fold on the 4 turn ? The fish donks again but shouldn`t we have been expecting this action ?
3) Why do we assume that the reg`s range is weak in this spot ? Since he flat calls the turn with one player to act behind him I don`t think his range is ever weak here.
1.) flop is close, but the fish is a fish and the reg can be iso'ing lite, so its whatever. Just cause we call doesn't mean we have to stack off later
2.) because that 4 completely changes the board and an LP fish is getting aggressive. its new information. I wasn't sure on the flop, now i am on the turn. I don't expect a fish to donk again OOP with a weak hand after getting flop raised. I NOW eliminate a 5x hand from his range.
3.) he has a hand, like a pair or a draw. I would be trying to stack the fish if i hit a big 4 or better.
I pretty much agree on this one on the flop the reg raises a fish with two regs still to act behind I literally dont think he is ever bluffing here at best he has a big draw that has a lot of equity. I would just fold here even though it appears tight.
If we flat flop then we are still ahead but we then have to guess on a number of turn cards whether they are continuing with a big draw or have 2pair+ and we are drawing pretty thin. If you reraise flop then you are overplaying your hand and are crushed against their ranges for getting it in.
As played on turn reg can definitely just flat the lead with all boats to let you and fish continue with draws so I would definitely be folding here.
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