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NL10 zoom-trips on Turn

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NL10 zoom-trips on Turn

Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BN: $11.31
SB: $10.15
BB: $7.62
UTG: $11.16
MP: $28.93
CO: $12.73 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q 8
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.26, 2 folds, BB calls $0.16
Flop ($0.57) 6 A 8
BB checks, Hero checks
Turn ($0.57) 6 A 8 8
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.16, BB raises to $2.02, Hero calls $0.86
River ($4.61) 6 A 8 8 7
BB bets $5.34 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot BB wins $4.38
Rake is $0.23

This is a recreational player but i dont have very info abou him
I decide ck-b F with middle and good kicker, in the Turn i decided raise because he have very Ax on range and i dont believe he folds a A on T, the problem is he 3b(very small) e dont fold here of couse, but i guess he is very strong( full house) because the board have some draws and it´s 3b very small
For this reason i believe its a easy fold R vs shove
I apreciate a feedback
tks

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akissv7 6 years ago

Pot is 9.72 and 5.34 to call meaning you need 5.34/(9.72+5.34) odds to call ~ 35%. Think it is close as villain could be bluffing with a missed flush draw or overvaluing a worse 8x or even overvaluing Ax. He could have a boat (most likely ones are A8,66,87,86) or K8 or Tc9c or 5c4c which all beat you.
Don't think villain will overvalue 8x and bluff missed flush draws enough to make this a good call.
So I think your fold is correct.

MatoStar 6 years ago

I think if you shove the turn, villain is never folding the 8x. Even though I would say that he has a decent amount of 8x, some boats and combodraws (after he 3bet on the turn)

So his value range against us : A8 (4), 66 (3), K8s (1) and that's 8combos. I am pretty sure that we are dominating more than 8 combos from his range, so I see it like a valueshove from our side (only against fish!)
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I am prefer this option mainly based on assumption that his 3bet on the turn means trips or better and strongdraws. That being said he is going to call us with the vast majority of his range vs a shove.

Would be super important to know what type of fish is he. Otherwise our decision can't be precise.

Samu Patronen 6 years ago

I'm not folding this againts a fish. Very important to realize that villain could easily have a worse 8x as well as some random bluffs. You don't want to project regular player attributes to a recreational player too much (capability of polarizing enough to make Q8 a bluffcatcher).

Zeneka 6 years ago

Am I the only one wanting to bet flop?

akissv7 6 years ago

No I would def bet a flop with an A on it as the A is so good for heroes range and not the villains range.

Zeneka 6 years ago

I think that vs recreationals I just think "I want to go for value/and not give freecards to say KJ" rather than thinking "A high flop is good for my range". I actually think the later is completely the wrong approach (vs recs!!) and it cost small/micro players tons of money.

ownuachi0 6 years ago

i beating almost all of my range in this boards, but i prefer ck-b sometimes midle pair with good kicker or A with weak kicker

Zeneka 6 years ago

ownuachi0 Why do you like to sometimes check and sometimes bet? What are the factors you take into account when deciding?

akissv7 6 years ago

In my opinion on A high boards even most recreational players will just fold KJ at least if they arent complete dumbos that call always. Not seen much of those I am afraid.

akissv7 6 years ago

So I bet my perceived (even by rec players) range advantage on the A high board representing the A and they most of the time will think I have the A.

belrio42 6 years ago

I am fine with the way you played this hand until the river.

I like the check on the flop. A small c-bet in position is also fine.

I would not fold trips (with a fairly good kicker) to a shove. He could easily have worse trips or simply air. Moreover, you don't block any clubs bluffs, which could easily take this line.

You need about 35% equity to call on the river. If he takes this line with something like:

AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s, T9s, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Kc8c, Qc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Kc7c, Jc7c, Td7d, Ts7s, Tc7c, 9d7d, 9s7s, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c5c, 7c5c, 5c4c, 4c3c, 3c2c, T9o, Ad8c, Ah8c, As8c, Kd8c, Kh8c, Ks8c, Qh8c, Qs8c, Jd8c, Jh8c, Js8c, Td8c, Th8c, Ts8c, 9d8c, 9h8c, 9s8c

You have 50% equity. Even if you remove some bluffs, you'll easily reach 35%.

TruthS33ka 6 years ago

ownuachi0

This is a recreational player but i dont have very info abou him

This should make leaning toward calling, since he's a rec

I decide ck-b F with middle and good kicker, in the Turn i decided
raise because he have very Ax on range and i dont believe he folds a A
on T

If your assumptions are right, you should def raise bigger

ownuachi0 6 years ago

For me in general i have to call this R, but one more time, why he 3bet me so small on the T in a board so wet, for me he never have a bluff here, so the question is, he play this way a worst 8, yes, for this reason i think the call is the better opcion.

belrio42 6 years ago

In general, I do not like any analysis that goes: "he never has a bluff here". Recs are very capable of bluffing, especially on this board.

In general, you should use reads to change your play at the margins. Say you can increase your required equity a little bit if you think opponent is under-bluffing. But you should not get completely out of line to make hero folds based on reads. You can't read people's minds over the internet, and you shouldn't try.

SeniorPomidor 6 years ago

I think you can use two lines, you can cbet two time 1/2 of pot and then take check back or you can cbet 3/4 of pot, check turn, and then catch bluffs on the river on safe cards.

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