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NL10 - KK in JT8ss vs x/r from unknown

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NL10 - KK in JT8ss vs x/r from unknown

SB: $9.45
BB: $2.02
UTG: $10.99 (Hero)
HJ: $11.60
CO: $10
BN: $10
SB 33/16/12.0 in 59 hands. Hasn't limped. 3betted once in 20 chances. He isn't full stacked soo...
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K K
Hero raises to $0.30, BN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds
Flop ($0.70) T 8 J (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.65, SB raises to $1.90, Hero folds

In these spots I always get doubts. Against a maniac or a very agressive reg I might shove for value. Althought against a very agressive reg I must take into consideration that Im opening UTG so he would perceive me as strong and probably wouldn't x/r this board as a bluff...

What about against an unknown?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 

39,600  games  0.001 secs  39,600,000  games/sec

Board: Jc 8c Ts

Dead:    

                   equity        win             tie           pots won    pots tied  

Hand 0:    44.258%    43.62%    00.64%     17273     253.00  { KdKs }

Hand 1:    55.742%    55.10%    00.64%     21821     253.00  { JJ-TT, 88, AcQc, AJs, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KcQc, KcTc, Kc9c, QcTc, Q9s, JTs, AJo }

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Chael Sonnen 11 years, 7 months ago

Good fold. This hits his range very hard. He can have JT/JJ/TT/88, or T8/J8 because he's probably a fish.
You bet near pot, and he still check-raised more than 3x. You are either crushed, or he has a combo draw with >40% equity.
Against that entire range, and the fact that he can barrel all of his bluffs on scarecards, it's a fold.

If you had the Kc, I'd check behind. KK blocks KQ, and some of his king straight draw outs. And you can call any turn when you check behind, and don't have to fold to a check-raise that gets you in tough spots.

R0b5ter 11 years, 7 months ago

Im amazed at how often I don't choose the tighter option that Chael and the others choose. Maybe I should learn somehing from this. Or maybe I'm just playing more aggressive villains at higher stakes. Or perhaps I'm the fish. hmmm

Tom M 11 years, 7 months ago

I think it's probably more aggro villains at higher stakes.

10 NL is especially fit or fold and pretty lol overall.

TheLove_Below 11 years, 7 months ago

lol, Rob5ter, we're in the same Pond. :)

in-game, I'm Just Shipping it in. But if i actually do some Out-side calculations with Stove/HEM, i think folding should be the more optimal Decision on Flop, given the board texture.

BigFiszh 11 years, 7 months ago

Folding is fine, if Villain is halfway knowing what he´s doing. Either he raises because he has it - or he knows that he can punish your range on this board, which means he´ll likely be continuing to do so on the turn.

Jamming is spew, imho. :)

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