NL10 - KK in 4bpot vs nit call

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NL10 - KK in 4bpot vs nit call

SB: $8
BB: $10
UTG: $10
HJ: $20.28
CO: $23.28
BN: $12.23 (Hero)
BB is playing 17/14/5.4 in 521 hands. He is 3betting 9% vs me and 8% vs BTN open. He faced a 4bet 2 times and 5betted.
Preflop ($0.15) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt K K
HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB folds, BB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $1.65, BB calls $0.95
I think preflop is standard.
Flop ($3.65) T 7 5 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB raises to $3.80, Hero calls $2.10
When he calls, or he has like AK/JJ that doesn't want to go all in for any reason, or he is trapping me with AA.
Turn ($11.25) T 7 5 Q (3 Players)
BB bets $4.55, and is all in, Hero calls $4.55

Can I fold this hand vs this guy on the flop? or is it just a cooler?

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Chael Sonnen 11 years, 7 months ago

You shouldn't min-raise at 10NL. Make it 0.30, and get money in with position and initiave.
You could go a little bigger with the 4-bet, but it's alright.

Bet bigger on the flop with your whole range. He should not have too many combos that have draws on T75r, but you still want to protect your hand, and not let a scary card kill your action.
When he raises, I'm shoving here for sure.

There is no way you can fold in the turn. Great odds, and he should not have much that beats you. If he has a flopped set, he probably doesn't check-raise (and he'd probably 5-bet jam again pre). So you lose to QQ and QT.

Do you have stats on his tendacies in 4-bet pots?

btugalover 11 years, 7 months ago

Even against regs that are 3betting a big % of the time i should be opening to 3x? why?

No stats on his tendencies. Do you think it's important to have stats in 4bet pots in these stakes?

Thanks!

Chael Sonnen 11 years, 7 months ago

You can min-raise against the regs, but don't do it versus unknown players. Building pots in good spots will make you a lot of money here.
Give regs a color, so you can easily spot them.

The 4-bet pot stats are probably not that relevant, because the sample will be small, and it's unlikely he's very consistent. But I've never used a HUD in my life, so you're better off asking someone else about that.
Still, every little bit of info can be valueable.

TheSnapper 11 years, 7 months ago

No, you cannot fold the flop here. There is little to learn from these spots, @ 10 nl most of your oppo's will get it in here with lots of hands you beat QQ,JJ,99,88,AT sometimes even AK though I'd expect AK to check raise ai.

You will lose sometimes in this spot but expect to be ahead more often than not.

TheLove_Below 11 years, 7 months ago

As Chael has already said, 4-bet bigger. 

However on Flop. Bet 1/3 Pot with your whole range on this dry flop board texture. Villain should have an inelastic folding range on this type of board texture. By also betting 1/3, your also giving VIllain a Chance to Spazz off, where you could bet/3-bet Jam Flop for Value.

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