NL10 AA 4bet SB vs BB
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NL10 AA 4bet SB vs BB
SB: $19.72 (Hero)
BB: $39.21
UTG: $6.63
MP: $51.28
CO: $10.00
Rake is $0.78
Hello...how would you play the flop and the river?
Preflop I chose to 4bet larger because of stack sizes. My range: AdAh, AhAs, AhAc, KdKh, KhKs, KhKc, QdQh, QhQs, QhQc, JdJh, JhJs, JhJc, TdTh, ThTs, ThTc, A9s-A2s, K9s-K7s, Q9s-Q8s, AhKh, AsKs, ATo, KJo, AdKh, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AsKh, AcKh - 99 combos
On the flop I chose thin value/protection cbet against his range. He has something like (IMO): QQ-JJ, 99, 77, AhAs, KdKs, KdKc, KsKc, TdTs, TdTc, TsTc, 8d8h, 8d8c, 8h8c, 6h6s, AsKs, AhQh, AsQs, KdQd, KsQs, KcQc, AhJh, AsJs, JdTd, JsTs, JcTc, Td9d, Ts9s, Tc9c, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AsKd, AsKc so I can get some value of his weaker hands and I don't wanna give him free turns. This flop is very dry and unconnected plus my range is stronger than villains so I chose this sizing.
Question nr. 1 - what should my flop strat be? I would cbet like this with TT+,AK,A6s, A8s, - 28 combos and add some bluffs with AXs with backdoor FD acordingly - AXs,KXs,- ca 24 combos - is this ok or should it be more value heavy? Or is better x/c with my strong + middle hands ? Or is it better to x/c middle hands and bet like 1/2 with strong hands - QQ+ (9 combos) and bluff like 9 combos of strongest AXs? it seems to me like it's better cause he won't call me with enough weak hands if I bet small with mid hands and won't fold enough to have so many bluffs on the flop.
When he raised me I call,because I'm on the top of my range and he should be raising quite light versus my small cbet. He can raise with any over pocketpair and maybe even backdoor FD like AQs,AKs,KQs,AJs..Only 88 and 66 beats me here and it's 4 combos max.
On the turn I check because there's not much I can get value from + it hits his KK and it's pretty dry board. I don't want him to fold weaker hands that I can get some value from on the river like QQ,JJ maybe AK, and mid pocket pairs.
On the river I go for thin value bet and he overbet shoves 2x pot.
I was thinking about it and I couldn't find barely any bluffs. I feel like he would rather call with mid hands like AK,QQ,JJ,TT etc. and shove with nuts or nothing but I can't find enough "nothing" in his range as his range is pretty strong in this spot. When he does this I put him on range like AhAs, KdKs, KdKc, KsKc, TdTs, TdTc, TsTc, 8d8h, 8d8c, 8h8c, 6h6s - maybe not even AA....so only FH and quads and I have around 5% equity if I call.. I'm not sure he would do this with hands like AQ or AJs with intention of pushing me to fold AA or QQ....that would be too ambitious from him plus I don't think ppl on NL10 have well balanced ranges in spots like these.
To call profitably he needs to bluff at least 4 combos because I have pot odds 28% so I need at least 28% equity but I have to add rake so more like 30% to be BE.
Question is...Will he bluff enough? I'm not sure if player on NL10 is capable of bluffing with let's say AQs and AJs which is 4 combos....
How would you play this? Thanx
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I would place my soul as a side bet that 95% of the times he has TT and other 4.99% KK. Think like this and do not level yourself with the theory of the theory that leads to impractical practices. Think how obnoxious this line looks to be a bluff from a human psychology perspective, his poker paradigm would have to be advanced like hell to make a move like that, and that is not happening at 10NL. A merged raise with TT or KK on the flop for protection vs your A high is something that almost anyone can pull off. A check back with with KK with locked equity, and a checkback with TT vs a scare card is something that the enviroment will follow with like 95% frequency again. And shoving the River now with KK and TT. What you asking to happen on the other hand, villain to randomly check raise as a bluff an AJ or AQ is extremely unlikely, more extremely unlikely to change his mind to passive from "aggrotard" when he picks up gutshot equity to passive again and then shift back to aggrotard to randomly spazz the river, we talking about a psychopath here or an extremely sickly advanced player that knows exactly what and why he doing it, NOBODY at micro stakes. If i had to play a very good reg my bluff would be T9s with this line(not know if its good or not).
Thanks, that's what I think too....looks like KK or TT almost 100% of times. And you are right, he would cbet turn if he picks GS and K on the turn. Fold feels bad but in this spot it's right decision given the line and runout...I'm beaten 100% of times on the river basically...TT or AA is only option...with mid hands he doesn't shove because I only call with better here...
This is ugly but I think the problem here is that you are too passive. This is a good flop for you. I would c-bet large here.
The problem with your line is that you let him realize all his equity and on top let him decide how big the pot is going to be.
Ye I was thinking about that, would betting 1/2 pot on the flop with strong hands + some bluffs better ?
I don't understand the reasoning: "the flop is good for you, you should c-bet large". If the flop is good for your range, you should c-bet small with most of your range.
I personally think a small c-bet on the flop here is fine. You get value from all kinds of random overcards, overpairs and even some small pairs.
Ye, generally the smaller bet is better on dry boards that are better for our range..bigger sizing for value is good when we are against weak player so we get more value even if he has weak hands when he is fish or calling station
If his calling range is truly that loose, what is your flop play if you know he has 88 or 66 or a super loose 76s/65s? What is your flop play vs. his weak and unpaired holdings if you knew for sure he had that? Vs. those categories of his range, I am checking here looking to control pot size vs strong parts and induce bluffs from his weak/unpaired hands. Vs. his over pairs, I think betting or checking here is fine. Straight draws aren't something I am really worried about here. But this is assuming he has to many weak hands in his range (relative to a 866 board).
But looking at the ranges you have, they seem super wide on both parts. I think your 4 betting range should be something like TT+, AK, AQs and like A5-A2, maybe adding in a few middling connectors since they play easily after the flop. You flop 2pr+ and monster draws and you go with them, if you miss you fold. As for his range, I think you can see some KK in it for sure. I expect it to be more like QQ-TT with some KK in there. As deep as you guys are, a good choice for him to call pre would also be middling connectors.
TBH this hand seems pretty much standard up until the river. His flop range is going to be overpair/air heavy since there are really no draws. I would expect TT-KK to raise this board a good portion of the time. Gets value and denies equity when you have AK, AQ and are cbetting them. Turn seems standard. He is checking back here a lot. KK has board crushed and needs to you bluff/catch up. QQ, JJ & TT are afraid of the K, etc. So K's, T's have caught up, there is still potential he has a suited 6. Honestly, I expect AK to call river and not raise. You still have AA in your range and his 2 pr could be counterfeited.
All in all I think the hand was well played. I think it was a good river bet and also a good fold.
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