NL10 100BB Zoom BTN J8s vs SB and UTG
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NL10 100BB Zoom BTN J8s vs SB and UTG
SB 0.05 BB 0.10 all 100BB tag players( no hand history)
preflop: UTG open 0.22 ; Hero call 0.22 with Jc8c ; SB sqz 0.98 ;
UTG call Hero call
Pot 3.04 3players
Flop: 3c 2c Jd
SB cbet 1.83 ; UTG call 1.83 ;
should I push allin here（vs 2 villains）？ the pot is 6.7 and i have 9.02 left.
SB may have 99+ , Ax flush draw ,and some high cards with a block i think.
UTG's range is extremely thin here i think, like QQ AJs AQs.
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Why do you flat J8s on the BU vs an UTG open? That seems waaaaaaay to loose to me.
Same goes for calling the Squeeze. So hero finds himself with a super weak TP 3way in a huge pot!
Folde pre....
As played; Fold pre again
As played: Tbh....We could simply still fold OTF as both players seem to be pretty strong here (SB still cbetting into 3players, while UTG has a super strong range as you seem to realise)
actually j8s call here is too loose.
but it 's my call range here...
But how did you create these ranges? Maybe yo should rework some of it. As Citanul mentioned: Vs UTG usually something like JTs gets interesting. And given the stakes you play, i would definetly take a thought if you really want to have a flatting range on the BU (due to rake considerations mainly, but also to lower the risk of getting squeezed off your equity).
But in general especially this spot (BU vs UTG) offers some merrits to create a flattingrange. But it stiill might preferabale to 3b or fold execlusively here.
If you want to, i could post some example of solved ranges for BU (either 3b/fold or flatting included)
thank you so much.
if i fold open, fold sqz, it will be easy to go. even on BTn J8s is not good enough here.
flop pre, flop to squeeze
if you jam here your saying you like to gamble gamble coin flip
yep they look too strong here.
As others have said, J8 is too loose. The Gap Principle tells us that we want to play a range tighter than the openers range. UTG generally opens J9s+. So our range generally starts at JTs.
Look at what happened here, you got squeezed, which is the main punish for your wide cold call range. And then you want to fold when you get a decent flop for your hand.
Which brings me to my other point. Do not fold this flop! Your range is going to be wide. You can’t start folding Jx hands on this flop with such a wide range.
Raising is also not a good idea. You’d just get called by better and fold out worse. You have position and it’s hard for the other players to play future streets multiway. Call and evaluate turn. But don’t make the pot even bigger.
thank u so much.
the pot comes really big , so i can't call here. onlly fold or shove i think.
if i didnt call open and sqz with J8s here , i will not meet this porblem....
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