( NL 50 zoom ) KK vs 5b
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( NL 50 zoom ) KK vs 5b
usually never folds KK 6max 100 bb deep, but BTN was so tight, and for UTG to 5b vs a extreem tight 4b, aldo iam not sure if UTG noticed if BTN was that tight. both 4b 0%.
Iam was not sure in the moment and decided to fold. any help is appreciated.
UTG $120,30 - 25 / 23 / 18 / ( 41 hands )
HERO $50,00
BTN $ 80,89 - 15 / 6 / 0 / ( 302 hands )
MP / SB / BB fold.
UTG Raise to 1,50
CO (HERO) KhKd raise to 4,75
BTN Raise to 10,94
UTG Raise to 23,00
Hero folds..
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Not folding KK vs 2 people. Yep it is mostly AA, but can be KK too. Sometimes people go wild too, after losing stacks.
I've seen tight people stack off light on weird action, overall thats type of spot which isn't happening almost ever and won't affect your winrate
thanks .
if you put EP on mainly KK+ then its easy fold preflop. No fold equity after shove and ~23% vs KK+ in spot where you need 40%.
To be honest its one of those spots where folding KK preflop is justified - open/5bet vs very tight weak player on deep stacks is always strong.
Yep it is close to 40% equity, still I wouldn't rule out some possible mistakes preflop both players can be making.
Either way I wouldn't say folding is clear mistake, or calling is terrible. As I mentioned before, that hand isn't mportant and we want to study spots which occure often
15 / 6 / 0 / ( 302 hands )
You don't have enough info to infer that he always have AA, fold is just a mistake. He could easily do the same exact thing with QQ. You get dealt AA 1/221, but also QQ and KK.
Here's a very very good example...
very nitty player over a larger sample than yours
Here his 3bet range when he went to showdown
def larger than AA.
Takeaway: don't assume extreme things on a very small sample size
dont realy understand what u mean but thanks anyway
BU is our lesser problem there. Real question is what is EP range in that spot? How wide he will cold 5bet(not exactly, but almost) vs weak and nitty opponent on 160bb deep?
Obviously there is spazz factor like Jeff suggested but can we count enough spews to have around 40% equity vs calling range(I assume that we have 0% fold equity especially vs EP) ?
It's very unlikely we have enough info on 5bets since they are really seldom. so I've look up into my DB to find players with enough sample who 3bet less than 1%. I chose 3bet % because converges somewhat quickly and shows an important concept imho.. As I showed you, even on large sample, it's very unlikely villains will only 3bet AA. The player I showed to you 3bet QQ+ and even KQ. But remember, villain has only 1% 3bet...
Wasn't counting on spazz much, mostly preflop mistakes he can make being deep.
Too much discussion on not that relevant spot
If I wanted to make example when to fold KK preflop 100bb, this case would fit in perfectly.
Even if I had 2 out of 3 would fold.
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