NL 25 - Barrel off in 3b pot blind vs blind?
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NL 25 - Barrel off in 3b pot blind vs blind?
Villain is 26/23 over about 200.
100 % RFI from sb over 7 opportunities.
I cb on the flop to keep my range uncapped considering all my backdoors.
My plan is to barrel off turn and most rivers on any turns that improve my equity, on the ones that don't I check back trying to get to showdown.
I don't think overbluffing rivers is a problem as I check back a lot of turns and I have a clear range advantage on this board.
Thoughts on my line and the logic behind it would be greatly appreciated.
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Your a savage :D
I like the 3 bet, could see some people giving you flame for it.
CB could go either way , we have SD value vs overcards/A high+BDFD, OESD's (65s), GS's (A5/2s, 67s), A high floats (AQ/Js/o) but our hand is very vulnerable to them. And getting a hand like AcTc to fold its 25%(ca) equity share is a pretty good result.
I agree with you that this turn is a phenomenal card for your range!! Especially if your merging your range with the bottom of you Axo (A2o, etc) preflop.
Villain will have some hands that improve, but I like firing again and Repping made strs....
Almost think you could size up OTT, but not a big deal.
I admire the aggression :D
Nice hand
Villains bluffcatching strategy is poorly chosen if he decides to call twice on k high flops just to fold river on pretty much a blank.
That doesn't make any sense.
Why not? If villain calls twice with JJ or something when our flop c-bet and turn bet most likely conists of Kx or air, he leaves so much dead money, unless he knows that we often double barrel/ give up in these scenarios.
so bluffcatching is never good?
No, I stated that x/calling twice OOP with little to no plan oTR will leave too much dead money. This heurisitc should be applied on dry runouts like this when villain is unlikely to persude a draw aggressivly. Villain doesnt put us on 42 here, so he should expect us to either have a good K OTT or some random air as most ppl will check QQ OTF or at least OTT.
I can see some people double barrel 22, 66-99 , Ax, 65 with plans to showdown river.
3betting 66 and then just randomly betting twice doesnt make sense either :)
3betting 66 is very plausible and I can see cbetting flop with 66 to fold out high cards and barreling through the turn now that 66 is open ended and getting value from ace high floats.
You dont get value from A high floats as they (SHOULD) fold OTT, so you rather protect oyur hand OTT against a single specific type of hand, which is extremly flawed as a strategic approach.,
If someone floated the flop with ace high which is very plausible, if they turn a gutshot you think they would fold? What else was the player hoping for? And whats to say turing 66 into a semi bluff OTT isnt a good play either planning to give up on some rivers like K 5 3 2?
Semibluff = betting a hand that isnt the best right now but you improve to a usually monster hand e.g. you semibluff when you play a draw aggressivly, or sometimes 2 overs. Betting 66 is not a semibluff as it hardly ever improves to nutty hand (2outs) and against A high you are value betting against/ protect. If you double barrell 66 and villain folds TT OTT, great for you, you turned a almost dead hand into a bluff succesfully.
However assuming villain calls twice with a high while folding TT with much more SDV is wish full thinkig. Also, calling with A high, especially OOP in 3bets pots is a really marginal play, OTT villain would have 4 nut outs and sometimes 3 a live outs. Against AK , a straight would just let him split the pot and an A will cost him his entire stack probably. So calling twice with A high having 14% best case (against anything that isnt a total random bluff) is a losing play, imo.
@Disharminist 66 on a 4-3-K-5 rainbow has an open ended straight draw. So unless your opponent has 68 which you heavily block, 7x which would have folded flop unless its K7 or A7s which he might fold preflop, or KK which he probably wouldve 4bet preflop, you have 8-10 outs to improve to the nuts. I think you just read the board wrong. I think you would almost always have to bet 66 OTT here cause it just leaves so many options for you OTR.
Blind vs blind if villain is thinking our hero can 3bet light which he has, and ace high float is profitable because if you call preflop with a hand like A8-AJ or AQ and get a flop like this, theres really not alot more you could asked for. If hes thinking hero would 3bet a hand like QJ JT and some suited and off suit connectors hes well ahead. I agree floating ace high is not something everyone is capable of but its very possible. And picking up a gutter with some ideas of leading or x/r river hit or miss or if he had A8+ trying to get to showdown vs a ace rag our hero could easily have sounds like a fine plan.
Yes sorry, misread board.
With that in mind your analyisis makes totally sense and turning sdv into a bluff hand when we have a range advantage oon this board as 3bettor is a smart strategy to apply. However it has to be discussed whether 3betting 66 IP is more valuable than flatting as our hand doesnt have that much playability and no blockers to the hands we like to represent.
I think blind v blind 3bet or flat can go either way. Yes hand has no blockers but I think vs a general villains SB opening range, like if he opens K4s, J8 off, hands like those, he would fold those to a 3bet and we would be folding out 35-50% equity. And 3betting small pairs isnt something thats unheard of, I think having the betting iniative with small pairs makes it easier to play.
But I also think a flat IP is good. The only problem with flatting is alot of times its hard to realize all our equity.
Overall I think its villain dependant.
We could really just check the turn and be very fine with it since we have some showdown value, mainly versus A-highs.
As played the river barrel is fine, we do fold out all his middle pocket pairs, maybe even some KTs type of stuff if he is nitty.
I can get behind a check on the flop but I like your cbet because I like betting to fold out his high card hands, and if he chooses to bluff those hands its hard to call down twice with just a pair of 4s no kicker.
After he calls ur flop bet on the turn your turning your hand into a bluff which is fine. You get another street of value from ace high that picked up a gutshot. If called the flop with 55-TT or maybe JJ he will fold to this barrel or ur third barrel. And your line is quite credible, there arent alot of bluffs ur going to have here and you can easily have a Kx+ hand more often then not. However I could get behind a check here because if you hit your hand in anyway except a 2 it will be very disguised and also I feel like if you check this turn he will bluff alot of cards that hit your hand since checking turn generally speaking is weak. Also your hand could very well be good right now, so if your confident in your play you could check here and call down some rivers if he chooses to bluff with hands like QJs, JTs, 22.. etc
OTR as played you commited yourself to three barrel which is good. I feel like he will fold alot here.. If hes reasonable he will fold KJ and weaker. It kinda sucks if he has KQ but we could easily have KQ. I think you will get alot of folds here generally speaking if your villain is a reasonable guy. IDK if you needed to over shove, but betting atleast 80% pot is a must. But your overshove makes this hand look alot cooler!! haha.
Nice hand ! :)
By the river you can get him to fold 66, 77, 56s. The rest of his range 55,44,33, KQ, 54s, KJs, KTs, K9 etc shouldn't fold vs you imo. I would not fold KJs-K9s on the river bvb so maybe I am projecting my own thoughts onto villain, and perhaps this villain will make mistakes by folding too many Kx I don't know but until I do know for certain I am not exploitatively bluffing this. While this river bluff might be ok against some it is definitely very exploitable.
Therefore I don't like bet on the river.
Flop and turn bets are both good imo.
I also prefer calling this hand preflop instead of 3betting. It's just not strong enough to 3bet, has zero blockers, plays badly in bloated pots with low spr, and it's plenty good enough to call. Just because villain opens 100% doesn't mean you have to 3bet more, you can defend just as well by calling him in position with deep spr, and make his weak-range-life miserable.
all 3 options ok pre...
as for the 3barrel spot i think it's kind of optimistic here cause
he has more sets ,two pairs KQ, Kx than u in this spot....but it's prop ok vs most people cause they will fold a lot some range that we loose like KJ for example....
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