NL 200 6max: getting shoved on in 3b_Pot
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NL 200 6max: getting shoved on in 3b_Pot
BB: 103.40
UTG: 228.20
HJ: 96.75
CO: 213.05 (Hero)
BN: 84.89
SB: 278.89
UTG: 228.20
HJ: 96.75
CO: 213.05 (Hero)
BN: 84.89
SB: 278.89
Preflop
(3)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
K
K
UTG raises to 6, HJ folds, Hero raises to 18, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls 12
UTG raises to 6, HJ folds, Hero raises to 18, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls 12
Flop
(39)
3
7
2
(2 Players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets 18,
UTG calls 18
Turn
(75)
3
7
2
4
(2 Players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets 38,
UTG raises to 192.20, and is all in
Villain opens 15% UTG (mb here little more cause BB and BTN were recreational players)
Fold/call/4b_range to 3b UTGvsIP: 44%/37%/2.6%
if Im here 3betting pre QQ then gto.wise I have to call off.
If not, then I can kinda fold KK w a spade involved (though it depends if he ever shoves here QQ.combos- if not, then QQ w/o a spade is eq-wise better than KK w a spade)..
Questions:
1.) would you 3b pre QQ vs him or rahter call? (with also 2 fishes behind)
2.) do you think ppl can in practice C/Shove OTT just qq?
3.) is this a reasonable range-assumption for him as a startingpoint?
77,AsQs,AsJs
its narrow, but I dunno which he could have here more...
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First your questions:
1) Call better than 4bcall vs utg
2) Yes, loads of bad regs do this with even TT-JJ
3) Nope, I kinda doubt it. His range for going to the flop is more like this: TT+, AQs+, AKo (we expect him to 4bet KK+ and some random bluffs like AQo/AJs).
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Preflop his range should be TT+, AQs+, AKo. He doesnt have to defend more with a 15% RFI UTG. If he starts to defend 77, he is overdefending and exploiting something.
After your flop bet he gets to the turn with 27 (+/-) comboes:
[QQ-TT, AKs, AdQd, AsQs, AcQc, AhKd, AcKh]
As you can see none of the comboes beats us.
I would prolly go even smaller, like 32 and then shove all rivers except A.
Super easy call, when he shoves :)
Thank you so far!^^
I will fold this turn,V don't have much bluff range here. V will never make his pair 77-JJ to bluff in turn .and AQs+,QQ+ will 4bet you but V didnot,so V maybe not have this hands.
Easy fold actually.
Meh, call. Shouldn't have small pps or straights with these stats from these positions. And, if someone takes this 'bad' line with anything, they're also liable to be bad enough to have QQ JJ type stuff.
Yeah,
makes sense.
If he's not opening much UTG, he doesn't have all the pairs thay would make him a set. And he definitely doesn't call all of them vs a 3-bet OOP.
Given your pot odds, the fact that he could protection jam worse, some AQss etc. and him having few sets, I'd call for sure.
Agree, a lot of ppl at nl200 will c/shove this turn with TT-QQ
I just had a look how his ranges could look like just to give a reference.
2.6% 4b range looks like QQ+, AK exactly. Maybe he mixes in some bluffs and calls QQ, AK instead sometimes, especially since 3bets vs UTG often block cards to his nut hands.
His OOP defending range which is 37% of 15% = 5.5% could be sth like 77-JJ,AQ,AJ,kxqx,kxjx
37% is very wrong. Villain, Button, SB and BB should defend 33,3% all together.
Check the range in my post #2, should be quite accurate.
I'm not saying he exactly has this range right now because it might change based on table dynamics but it still seems to be a lot looser than the population average.
I'm snap calling and adjusting based on the hands I see he comes up with
Call, you only lose to sets, and they don't always play this way. 88-QQ usually get to the turn this way, and might shove, certainly enough to call given your pot odds
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