Zoom Sizings Pre-Flop.
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Zoom Sizings Pre-Flop.
Hi.
I will be greatfull for some help and Your touds in subject.
I would like to start from opens.
Opens:
So my toud process here was like this im opening 3x from CO and BTN, becouse those are most profitable positions on the table i think. From every other position i open 2x, becouse i wanna steal as cheap as possible and this sizing give's me opportunity to open little wider + i think players will overfold on NL-10 zoom, another factor of that decison was i will be playing OOP more often which means i will need to give up most of hands and won't be able to even cbet them profitably.
But i do not see lot's of players play like that and im just not so sure about it so i decided to ask for some help from more advanced players.
3bets:
IP, OOP 3x
I was thinking of playing same sizing in and oop becouse i think here players will be overfolding too and more then less i think their range will be pretty static to 3 or 4x and differences will be minior which would make my 3b more profitable.
Im not even sure but "standard" is 3x IP and 4x OOP right ?
4b:
IP 2x+1bb
OOP 2x+2bb
Kinda same toud process, but im not even sure what is "standard" here i see 2,5x and 3x most of the time so i guess those.
5b:
I use almoast mostly all in here, but would You recomend me to do sometimes otherwise ?
Thanks for Your helps and sorry that the post is so long, but i toud is better to just cover the whole topic here in one subjject.
Wish You best !
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my strategy is different. I usually open 2.2x from CO and BTN, because I open wider in this two position.And SB and BB will 3bet more often to CO and BTN, so we will fold to 3bet a lot, open small can reduce our loss when we fold to 3bet. I usually open3bb in SB ,because we are oop and we can't give BB a good pot odds to call often ip. I open 2.6bb in UTG and MP,because we open tight in the two position, and we dont often face a 3bet . people dont 3bet a lot vs UTG and MP.So we can open larger in ep because our range is strong and we dont hope CO and BTN have a good pot odds to call ip.
3bet:
ip 3x ,SB 3.5x, BB 4x. ip we dont mind villain call so we can use a small size.
I use a linear 3bet range in SB, so my hand include some median hand, I dont want to isolate myself. but we oop , we dont want villain call often, so I 3bet 3.5x usually 10bb.
in BB I 3bet a polarized range, so we need bet larger . if we 3b bluff, we can get more fold equity, if we 3b value, we can get more value.
4bet:
ip 23bb oop 25bb
Thank You !
Most people do this the other way around where they open larger from EP and then smaller from the BTN. Your range is stronger from EP, you're going to to be OOP vs most cold callers and you'd like to build bigger pots and dissuade people from taking 5 way flops versus you in this situation.
Thank You ! Sorry im new on the forum i didn't know it gona take this subject again to the top of the list. Will know for future Cheers.
Welcome to the forums!
Do you think it matters if you still open big size in high stakes games? (3x, and small bu)
Why do people in highstakes have different raise sizes?
I'm not sure that I understand Jeff's question above but people might opt to use different raise sizes at different stakes based on rake and/or the way the player pool deals with those sizes. For instance, you might not want to raise with small sizings at lower stakes because it encourages lots of cold calling and seeing flops which means that those pots are raked.
I meant haven't seen players from above nl2k are using big size for opens (ante tables excluded) from early positions - co. That's why asking, if I use slightly bigger one will it affect my overall ev ? ( If playing with fish behind I think it is not matter, but when only decent regs)
I don’t think there is anything wrong with op thinking even though most seem to disagree with it. I raise smaller in early position because I want to open up my range a little and most importantly because I will be out of position for the rest of the hand so having a smaller pot makes life a little easier. Raising larger from co/button makes the pot larger, which I don’t mind when in position. I’m not saying that the advice given was bad, but just that there is more than one way to handle preflop and I’m not sure there is any problem with op original thinking...
I played a lot of zoom from NL2 to NL25 with HUD, on ps.it wich could be a little different from ps.com. It would be logic to think that population is overfolding pre, but I found out that is not the case. Sure you will find more nits in comparison to regular cash game, but there are way too many whales and LAGs. That's why I think is better to open 3x from early positions.
If you want to open up your ranges against a loose passive player I think is better to add hands like K9 instead of hands like 54s (and the opposite against nitty players).
4bets I just go with 2.5x (100bb effective stacks) and I found out it works fine for value and bluff, oop and ip. However I think if fine to play with sizes as long you remember smaller size = more bluffs but also less fold equity, but you already know : )
5bet size: I just shove if less than 130bb. I 5bet rarely with 200bb (small size like 2x) and I wouldn't know what to do with more than 200bb, I'm still trying to understand :D
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