NL 10, Weird Overshove on the turn

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NL 10, Weird Overshove on the turn

Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BN: $13.82
SB: $10.23
BB: $11.10
UTG: $13.23
MP: $19.74
CO: $21.07 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is CO with 6 6
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds
Flop ($1.00) 6 Q 4
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.72, SB calls $0.72, MP folds
Turn ($2.44) 6 Q 4 5
SB bets $9.21 and is all in, Hero calls $9.21

So his range is super narrow, curious if it's a mandatory fold with his bet sizing.

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DiamondClub 10 years, 4 months ago

Without knowing what type of player that was I would think he will only have 87s, then there's 32s which I don't think he will have multiway in the SB very often. There is also QQ which I think he will squeeze most of the time unless he is super passive. He also has 55,44 and some two pair combos all of which you beat. Long story short - I think you can call here. He only needs very few spazzes for this to be hugely +EV.

Vs {(44,55, 5x4x, 8x7x)@100, Qx6x@50, 3x2x@50, QQ@50} (where @50 means 50% of combos included) you have 59.8% equity OTT and your call assuming he does this with the above hands has an

EV=0.598x116.5BB-0.402x92.1BB=+32.6BB,

that's pretty good. Now think about how much your equity and therefore your EV goes up when he has a few spazzes here.

Chael Sonnen 10 years, 4 months ago

Just snapcall. You're not in the worst shape ever against the rare straight, and you destroy hands like TP, 2PR and you're doing well againsts FDs.

Knoxox 10 years, 4 months ago

I don't love it but I think you have to call this. You beat 2pair & lower sets and you're not in terrible shape against a straight.

DrFillGood 10 years, 4 months ago

Yeah he showed up with the 87 of spade, which is obviously the top of his range. Just quite unsure what the bottom of his range in this spot would be. As it's incredibly weird line for a flopped set to take, who flats the flop then OOP ships on a weird turn.

Weird 2 pairs makes sense I guess, and thats probably all I need to put into his range to make it an easiar call with A7 of spades

cpau 10 years, 4 months ago

Agree with all the comment. Im not that happy about it, but I'd call. QQ is unlikely and he can do it with weird 2pairs or pairs + draw or something like that. If the guy is bad anough to donk shove like that OTT, he is bad enough to have some weird stuff in his range.

Cozacu 10 years, 4 months ago

At first look I would fold this (thinking FML).

With absolutely no info on villain... this over 90% of time is 87s. I know it sucks, but from my experience every time I called an odd overbet shove (especially large overbets) was nothing else but the absolute NUTS. Every time, with no exception... no matter how unlikely (I snap called overbet shove vs fish with Ahigh flush just to see a straight flush :) ).

When you have some info on villain, see how he plays... shows that he can be looser and a bit crazier with large bets and raises than this becomes a snap-call but vs unknown this is a fold for me.

Simply because I think I just called these off too many times, and instead of getting frustrated afterwards (telling my self - comeon man, youve seen this shit before, why call?) I better just let it go and agree without calling that he does have the nuts.

Hope this helps. Cheers!

cpau 10 years, 4 months ago

I disagree with you. At 10NL, people would do this with strange hands kinda often to make to call profitable. Im not arguing about an higher limit tho, but poeple at 10nl are real bad sometimes.

Cozacu 10 years, 4 months ago

I thinks it depends on the site you play on too. Are you playing on stars? Have you called many of these large overbets (at 10NL)made by fish and saw something different that the nuts?

Cozacu 10 years, 4 months ago

As a side not... I folded a FH on river last night and villain insisted in saying he had AJ for a straight. That was clearly too tight from my part, and I made a mistake on turn (by not raising) and thought villain (a nit ) knew better than x/shove river with AJ on that board.

Conclusion, Im stating my opinion and clearly that sometimes might be wrong. What happened in the past, I believed villains are more advanced that they actually are and I make bad folds when they foolishly shove/raise rivers when they only think they have the best hand. Although this is slightly different scenario, you see where Im going with this.

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