Multi-way ClusterF@#$
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Multi-way ClusterF@#$
Yatahay Network - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
BTN: 207.1 BB
SB: 119.4 BB
BB: 197.5 BB
UTG: 123.5 BB
Hero (MP): 120 BB
CO: 102.7 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Kd
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold
Flop : (9 BB, 3 players) 9c 3s Tc
Hero checks, CO bets 2.3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.3 BB
Turn : (13.6 BB, 2 players) 4d
Hero checks, CO bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB
River : (47.6 BB, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, CO bets 80.9 BB and is all-in, Hero?
I think i still like my flop check, but just calling the 1/3 psb feels weak, but raising seem like i am over playing.
After capping my range on the flop villain overbets turn, i think i can peel here.
Villain shoves brick river, almost 2x pot. Seems like a spot that villain could overbluff, altho i block some flushes and gutshots.
Pop underbluffs here i think tho.
Villain 24/18/6 1k
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How big a nit am I if I only call with boats/quads otr?
What are your thoughts on block-betting river 25-30% pot intending to fold vs a jam?
Range for block-betting would be a few missed flushdraws such as KcQc, QcJc, and then A3s, JJ+, T9s. We could mix in some boats for balance but I'd rather check-raise those.
I did not consider a block here, guess that's why i suck @ poker.
It seems like the correct play. I like it.
Is there a video covering block betting? Don't think it was covered in "from the groud up".
In game I wanted to call, but it is hard for me to give villain any credit to bluff that line.
thanks
A few things I can say about block-betting but I'm not sure how correct they are so please take this with a grain of salt.
I try to consider a block bet on rivers when I am oop as the pfr, and when I have an uncapped range.
I use it when I want to avoid getting bluffed off the best hand for example.
I try to incorporate it when I don't want to call a huge river bet.
It can also help to control the size of the pot or "freeze" villain a bit so to speak.
I also block-bet some times when I have a very strong hand, and don't want to see villain check-back river.
When I have a missed draw, and the river was an advantageous card for my range.
I try to think about how the turn/river affects the two ranges, and which turns/rivers are good for our range.
Flopzilla has a very neat feature that visualizes different turn/river cards as a "heat-map" for both players.
In practice I run a ton of sims in gto+. I try to find spots from my hand histories where I went x/c x/c and am facing a river decision, connect with Flopzilla, and play around with different outcomes. Or I solve a number of random flops and then look how different turns/rivers play out. I usually set up a bunch of bet-sizes for those sims, solve them over night, and try to find spots in them where block-bet is used frequently.
I try to get a feeling for when those spots occur, and the criteria they require to be viable.Then I hope to recall the strategies in my gut or my sub-conscious mind whenever I face a similar decision at the tables.
But in all honesty I am no expert when it comes to block-betting at all. I think that it is a difficult strategy to play well, and relevant spots do not come up very frequently.
It's also not a spot that is being studied by many players. So they make mistakes against it. I know that I've made my fair share of bad block-bets or bad decisions when facing one.
I'm calling.
Lets give him worst case scenario for value. TT/99/33 (7 combos by river). We have 0 equity vs this range. I am assuming he doesn't have AA here. So, that said, he has zero other value bets that beat us.
He is a reg or looks like a reg so he understands that he can't bet/overbet/give up QJs and 87s here, so I think he fires all 8 of those.
Vs that range, we have 53% on this runout. I think you will see regs jamming T9s here for 2 pair since you can have some strong Tx in your range that might call. Since we established that he never has AA here, if his value betting range expands, we are still beating all of it which makes this even more of a call. The only issue here is if he continues 44 on the flop here, and if he does, we stiff have 44% which is more than enough to call.
Thanks for the tips on blocking Kuduku.
@ Hawks- His stats seems reg ish, but does a reg flat 87s , QJs preflop here?
IDK , i don't have a flatting range here, obv. villain does.
thanks
I don't do it, You don't do it, but the data shows they are calling way too much in this dynamic. My pool calls 17% CO vs MP.
You will see the green grid are the 3b range and the blue grid is their call range. This is approaching 1.75m hands.
CO vs MP RFI
Thanks , good point.
My line makes no sense if i am not going to call it off on brick rivers.
Hi Jalo,
Raising flop is definitely not an overplay. In general, raising overpairs vs small sizes in SRP's is a very fine play, even if it began MW.
As played, turn and river play themselves; you've only 1 option, and that's to go XC flop and XC river (referencing this runout only).
My best advice I can give to you - based on this one hand in isolation, so perhaps a pinch of salt is needed here - is to get a little more aggressive, and therefore, harder to play against. For reference, say you were the CO here and you had knowledge that MP would not XR overpairs at any rate, would that make you want to bet more or less vs him?
Good luck!
Hi Luke,
Welcome to RIO, not an elite so i couldn't watch ur video.
Thanks for the advice, and you hit it on the head, lack of aggression.
Watching one of Lister's videos recently, he mentions lack of aggression as the most common shortcoming of micro players and i struggle with this.
One heuristic i use, is that playing for stacks ina SRP without better then 1 pr. is often overplaying. This could be tying my hands, so to speak. What do you think?
If i CR the hand above, and the draws come in, what could i be bluffing with on river?
Turn KK and other made hands into a bluff? Bet fold?
Thanks for the help, good luck!
Fast fold poker means they want to get it in with the nuts real fast. Villain has to be GOOD for you to call here and if he were good why is he playing 10nl just think about that.
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