Low pocket pairs from UTG (6max)added
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Low pocket pairs from UTG (6max)added
It feels like in today's state of game raising with low pockets mainly 22-66 have reverse implied odds when you flop your set. Running through my database today I found that every time I hit a set with these cards I failed to stack my opponents, yet I have been stacked numerous times. Granted over my sample I was still profiting from this since I would still be able to get 2-3 streets of value. I was thinking about cutting them out of my game pre-flop, since they are so hard to play in general especially utg. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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you may try to steal the pot preflop if you play tight, once in a while but with more agresive player after you fold is good choice.
if they are good agro regs (pre and or post) i would fold
if there are bad passif calling stations guy (specially in blindes) i will open allways
for 33-66 from utg
over 12 months of nl100 only 245 times and -4.5 BB/100 (ev)
22 +44.66 BB/100 (ev)
33 -14.48 BB/100 (ev)
44 -122.34 BB/100 (ev)
55 -80379 BB/100 (ev)
66 +41.91 BB/100 (ev)
i believe even over a year of grind we cant have enough hands to know, 245 is not enough
would be glad to have a coach opinion
so don't know how to verifiy assumptions given the fact that one year is not enough hands
the value of that hands is low . you should raise sometimes but if you got reraiser you must fold, maybe a strong raise will scare them. One good way is to fold because the chances for a set is low and if you got reraise you may not hit so you loose, because this hand against all others hasnt good odds . As you say you loose and I loose too with this hands and sometimes they dont even count. You beter fold till 4-5 position that you try to limp.
You do run the risk of set over set when playing lower pp but I accept the chance as a part of set mining some of these premium hands.
reason are
when they 3bet i thnik i dont have odds to setmine (i use this formula : i call if amount to call x 20 < effective stack size.
i dont 4bet them since i believe i cant 4bet call, i will be too much behind a shoving range, and i dont have blochers to i prefer to 4bet fold KQo, Kjo etc
what do nl 200+ players thinks about that
intersting post sean shu
nl 6m.
First of all folding some small pps from UTG has become somewhat standard nowadays (There are still very good players who dont.) Basically from UTG it'll be very hard to defend vs 3bets and for that reason you want to keep a tight opening range (somewhat around 13-15% I think is perceived as optimum).
So you can choose to fold some lower pps to get your open % down a bit or you can open all pps and then remove e.g. some Axs from your opening range depending on how you wanna construct your range.
If it is a micro stakes game then I would assume that people are calling too much preflop & postflop, hence the value of hitting a set even with a tight opening range is gonna be quite decent. Also the frequency of getting 3b is lower aswell.
At low stakes you will get 3b more frequent, a lot of regs will probably not be bluffcatching enough vs a lot of postflop aggression from a UTG open (because people usually have valueheavy ranges in that spot). Therefore the value of actually hitting a set will vary a lot depending on your opponent & dynamics.
However I do agree that there will occur exploitative opportunities from time to time, e.g. if you expect to get called by some fish (who aren't short), then you can basically just minraise pre (to minimize the lose the times you are 3b or don't hit a set) as long as the regs don't pick up anything.
Also when it comes to postflop, small pps will have quite bad playability and will always be the bottom of your range and is therefore usually a c/f unless you wanna be cbetting your entire range theoretically = 100% cbet.
-igotya
does villains range that 3bets me can stand a check/raise on a wet flop ->
if the answer is yes: setmining against them is fine.
if the answer is no then it won't ever be profitable.
That's why against nits that 3bet under 5% if you're on the CO or BTN and they 3bet you from the blinds, its sometimes fine to setmine against them, however OOP you always have to consider the fact that you're going to have to fast play a bit more often your set if you hit it on a wet board.
posflop when you misse your set and your CB is called
preflop IP vs a 3bet?
thanks
sometimes i barrel even though i am not a fan of bluffing with 2 outs there can be some spot where it makes sense since you are UTG and rep a strong range preflop
mostly i fold to 3B
just when do you call 3bet because i never do it, (i only set mine when amoutn to call * 20 < effective stacks and thats never the case in 3bet pots
merry christmas :=)
Can anyone post some 6max graphs foo 22-77 and opening opportunities?
I think the most important factor to consider is how wide the 3betting ranges behind you are. You almost never see a flop with these hands when 3b and cannot 4b with them which means the times you are 3b you are lighting money on fire.
If you are seeing a decent # of flops and have the ability to play well post flop with them (which actually isn't tough as it probably includes a whole lot of check folding) then I think you can open them.
There are also a lot of really bad implications to having ranges constructed in such a way where you dont hit a set if the board comes low. (Stove some equities of a 15% UTG range -22-66) vs a button calling range on 236r.) Good luck getting to show down ever in that spot.
I open 22/33/44 there once in a while, 55/66 fairly often or sometimes. It depends on who is on the table.
I play the deep 6 max cash tables, so I play all the pocket pairs because hitting a set becomes very profitable indeed. However, it does still depend on the players in the blinds, behind me etc. Against tight opponents, I'll be opening every single one. If I have position, I might even call a 3 bet from a tight opponent if I have position and I know he doesn't go crazy with AK, AQs. Against crazy players, folding deuces UTG when a nutjob is in the blinds is fine.
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