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Live-Poker 5/5: 88 60bb vs lots of action

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Live-Poker 5/5: 88 60bb vs lots of action

Hero: 55bb (just lost a big hand, haven't bought in again. Table dynamic little bit on the lose site for live poker).
8handed
UTG+1 straddle 2bb, 2 calls. Hero CO 8c8d calls. BU calls, SB (squeezes often) raises 11bb. BB - (good reg, easy able to take advantage of lose sb 3bet range) , put 25bb in the pot but somehow announced call and they ruled its a call, calls, UTG+1 (medium rec) calls, fold, MP calls. Hero ?
In hindsight I should have raised the limpers but didn't think I had much FEQ at the table and investing around 15% of my stack to play mid pair in multi way pot didn't seem like a good play. Plus I was thinking SB could squeeze and would have shoved against him instantly but with that much action got unsure. I don't use a solver yet, only just started playing again after taking a break of a year or so. Thanks for your help!

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BigFiszh 4 years, 8 months ago

So, it's 6-way and you got to call 9bb for a pot of 57bb (expecting BTN to call 100%)?

Seems close but doable. You'll likely double your stack when you hit set (and give up anytime else) - which makes for positive EV. Times were you lose against higher set are compensated by the (good times) where you even triple.

deusdeorum 4 years, 8 months ago

Hmm I didn't even consider calling (BU was unknown, but I guess he calls close to 100%). But I thought I only have a push or fold option since if I call my implied odds arent that great (BB may have a very strong range but don't see myself getting it in against the others most of the time)

Ryan 4 years, 8 months ago

55bb, so your $265 eff.

With the straddle on, I immediately interpret my stack as having 26.5bb, given the straddle makes it as if you're playing 5/5/10 effectively.

So with that being said, I don't mind the limp, and prefer it to making some type of raise. However, I think we might be able to shove preflop given there is $40 in the middle already, which is 15% of our stack.(40/265)

I am not 100% sure if shoving is the play given I'm not familiar with playing short stacked, but at first glance it seems viable, but I am interested to see what other people think about this option. A big issue here might be that we have quite a few players behind left to act, and sometimes the limpers will have traps as well. So I'm a bit wary of this option

I would likely limp behind as well. As it has played out, it appears to me that the BB basically has a defined range that is likely overpair heavy and some strong broadways. Against this range I don't think we want to be jamming 88, and I would guess we have very little fold equity.

As played, there is 220 in middle, and we risk 45 additional, so we are getting 1:4.8. Say we estimate we need to win (times we hit set)9-5.8 = 3.1x45 = 144. So can we win at least 144 when we bink to break even? Probably so, plus we have position, sometimes with the low SPR we win mult stacks etc. Rarely will win a showdown given the players OOP are a bit handcuffed with AK type stuff in a 5 way pot. So yeah, I suppose we go ahead with a call pre.

deusdeorum 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for your answer! You're right of course with the effective stack. The shoving directly sounds interesting, no idea if it's good either :)

Had same thoughts about BB. I'm behind against his calling range and don't see him folding often. Without him, I shove without thinking twice.

Unsure about your last part: As replied to BigFiszh I dont think I win the pot postflop if im not flopping a set since it will be at least 5way and they won't fold lets say JT on a j32 board (and my only options is to shove I guess). Didnt even consider that I have the equity to setmine in this position and thought with this much dead money in the pot its only push or fold here but probably I'm totally wrong here and should have called then.

Ryan 4 years, 8 months ago

I was just saying that 5 way people will be handcuffed a bit from bluffing(not saying they won’t do it), but this may lead us to being able to show our hand down(very rare, but does happen). This gives us a bit more equity, but not much, that’s all. Wouldn’t really be looking to bluff much postflop unless an insane opportunity presented itself

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