Some friends put on a game with a few tables with fast levels and big jumps. 10k starting stack, I'm at 15.5k at the 500/1k level at the final 2 tables, a few people away from FT. Top 3 pay only. They're 15 minute levels that will go 1k/2k then 2k/4k next. Everyone at this table is very sticky, Agressor limps vast majority of hands, usually only raising very strong.

On to the hand. I have J4o in BB, Villain raises to 2k, 3 people call and it comes to me and I'm getting 9:1. Everybody at the table is always talking about how great of a price they're getting so they defend in the SB with 83o because Hey I'm getting 3:1 and I'm priced in HueHueHue but I actually think we should think about the options here. I don't think raising into 4 other people is good because I've seen these guys call it off with QTo just because, I have lots of hands I can shove better than this one. Now if I call, I'm putting in another BB off of my short stack with a great price to see a flop. I'll hit a pair 1/3 of the time but unless its the J I'm not really happy. If there's a J and an overcard, I almost never put my money in because nobody here is really ever bluffing bluffing into 4 other people. Sure it's possible but I know these people and its unbelievably unlikely. So I feel like I'm relegated to thinking that I need a J high flop, since my hand has no connectivity, and I can open rip and hope that I'm not dominated AND hope that if I do get called by KQ (which would absolutely NOT 3bet pre) that I don't get sucked out on.

So here's my thinking. 1/6 of the time I hit a J on the flop, about half that time it comes with another overcard and I almost certainly lose the pot, so we're looking at about 1/12 (we can say 1/10 for arguments sake because we don't actually know what other people have.) Sometimes I will overrealize when I hit my 2 pair or 3 of a kind, but a good chunk of the time I am also going to be dominated and I'll put my money in pretty much dead. I also feel that people overfold waaayy too much against shoves from short stacks so I would rather take this hand off and use the pressure a shove can bring in later hands. So that's what I do, I immediately get berated, I almost double up from shoves and taking down blinds and then bust with AK against QJ with 25k in 1k/2k level. I feel like my logic makes sense, and even if I am wrong, it has to at least be close, like I put that extr blind in SO often and just burn it, double up rarely but it does happen, and I bust a decent amount. Thoughts?