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Live 5-10NL

8 Handed.
Villain is a tough LAG. He defends his blinds wide and is generally sticky. Effective stacks ~$2000.
I open to 40 with T8ss in MP. BTN calls. Both blinds call.
4s5c6s
I cbet 110, BTN folds, SB folds, BB makes it 300, I call.
Turn Js
Villain bets 450, I call.
River 4h
He jamms all in for 1350, Hero?

I like my play on the flop. Turn and river I am not sure about.

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Sean Lefort 12 years ago
I think you've played it well, and I fold the river. We really just don't beat anything other than straights that are turning into bluffs on a board where a lot of our flop calling range has improved to boats and flushes that are likely not folding (ie. I don't expect him to be doing this often, and if he is, I don't expect it to be exploiting us in any way if we fold this). I guess we beat lower flushes, but there's going to be vvv few of them and if he's jamming those he's obviously jamming all better flushes. I also expect a lot of live players to play a set that improves to a boat this way on each street.

Also note that I don't hate chk/calling hands like this in multi-way pots as the pf aggressor. We're not going to be very far ahead when we get more than one bet in on the flop, and we're also not often going to make hands nutty enough that would be a shame to miss three streets of value with. We also (obviously) don't care to bet the flop for protection nor is it a great flop for us to take advantage of pre-flop initiative (ie. villains won't tend to over-fold this flop texture). It also adds a ton of deception to our chk/calling range when basically all cards that look bad for us are actually good, and vice versa. And of course, deception is pretty important especially in deep-stack poker.
BagOfSuck 12 years ago
Prefer c/c > b/c mainly for reasons stated above. We flop well with descent equity but not very good implied odds when c/r, which I think will happen descent amount with board hitting our opponents range more than ours.
Elgatonegro99 12 years ago
I have one player behind me. Am I misguided by thinking that betting can set up a double barrel when A, K, J roll off on the turn? In addition I have a strong draw as back up. I also think its rare that I get raised in a four way pot.
Sean Lefort 12 years ago
Sorry about that, for some reason I was under the impression that you had two players behind you. I like chking less and think you played it fine.
Schu 12 years ago
I'm sorry... I think even though our margins are razor thin against a better flushes, vour hand is really disguised here and I am making this river call. I think you played it fine OP.

main argument against a call here is that most of the suited connector flush type cards are already dead unless he's playing really low cards.

what I like here the most is OP's disguised hand range
Adrian Milroy 12 years ago
Tough fold, but you have to make it. If board didn't pair, you call, if you had a higher flush, you call. At this point you are purely bluff catching tho. You're only beating 53s/57s/97s/95s and airball 7Xs, at best, maybe As7x and a 78 straight that is now overplaying their hand. 7x and 78 probably wouldn't take this complete line and unless you have a read that this players is a wild playmaster, its seems that the straight, the whiffed 7s and the 4 baby flushes are far outweighed by tons of boats, and higher flushes.

I think you've played it well the whole way, now make the giant fold here. I don't think our hand is disguised as we might think here. Once we make the turn call to any good player, we look like QQ+ at the minimum. Our opponent can only hope to fold out QQ-AA on the river, maybe 67s that we got stubborn with. He can't assume we're folding the rest of our range (flushes, boats, maybe 43s).
From02Hero - 12 years ago
agree with what´s been said. furthermore we are not at the top of our range so i think folding the T high flush here isn`t exploitable at all. wp if u folded river
mike 12 years ago
i agree with river fold and your line in general.

i wanted to add that many live 5/10NLH live regs don't make big bets light and are very unbalanced when they triple with big bets or take XR-B-B lines that is they almost always have the nuts or close to it(this is even more true at 2/5NLH)

even amongst the pros that are regs in my 5/10 games i feel like above is true - quite a few are playing are playing a bit under-rolled so the absolute dollar effects their play and others came up through the "live poker" ranks where there isn't much need to worry about balance

do you 5/10 regs agree? is it different in LV or LA?



Elgatonegro99 12 years ago
I agree that this is an easy fold vs most live players but this kid is a lot better than most. I did end up folding the river but I think it's close.
Thanks for your thoughts.

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