Live, 3-bet sb vs btn, good board to brl?
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Live, 3-bet sb vs btn, good board to brl?
Hero A8dd on SB (110 bb's eff)
All fold to BTN who raises 4, hero 3-bets to 16, bb folds BTN calls.
Flop: KcQcTh (33 bb's)
Hero bets 18, BTN calls.
Turn: 8s(69 bb's) Hero All-in
BTN is a good reg, on tagish side. I presume he opens BTN wide when folded to.
On the flop It should hit my 3-bet range(99+,KQ+,A2s+,67s+) better then his calling range I presume? When he calls,
I guess its mostly JT,QJ,AT,T9 ,and cc then J9/AJ. I am unsure if people in general will jam these holdings in
SPR 3 spots so perhaps I am wrong here.
Seems like betting turn with my hand is quite nice, I expect to have 0 sd value and its SPR 1.
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If this is a live game how do you feel about this player or the player pool in general? Do you expect villains to fold KJ? What about QJ or AQ? The upside of this semi bluff is that it should be pretty hard for you to find a ton of bluffs normally. Pretty tough to say what's best without any information on villain or how the game plays though. Also, what kinds of hands are you c-betting on this flop for this size?
He is a a very good player compared to the pool. No I do not expect him to fold KJ, but AQ and QJ.
I did say he was good and on the tag side, if I where to elaborate. He can make hero calls if he thinks you are bluffing. The game was ''normal'' no absurd dynamic was going on. He had been sucked out by a fish this session 1 hour before but I did not expect that would affect his play very much.
I am a PLO player in general, decided to play NL this session. So I was unsure about my thought process and line. I sometimes feel a bit fishy in my logic but maybe that's cause I am rusty or did play the hand bad/got negative variance as he did have J9.
As you said yourself, its very hard for me to be bluffing on this board, usually my worst hand should be AT, or cc. Therefore I thought he had to be very strong to call me on the turn and therefore I showed. Me having the A blocks his AJ combos which should be the most off his cold-call monster hands that he calls my flop raise.( He did make a light sigh when calling OTF, I noticed it but again have not played with him enough to know if he was inducing or was a turn of events, turned out he was giving false tell I assume :). )
I just wanted to comment on these tells. Interesting though process by the way. I would like to hear more from other players.
About the tell. I was playing live recently well. Villain was holding bottom set in a 3way 3bet pot and there was tons of action. I had an overpair, and cbettet and a 70bb player shoved all in and villain sighed as well, and sighed again and sighed a few more times and made the call. I put him on a flushdraw and shoved over the top. He was chasing all kind of draws the day before.
When he showed me the set, i was angry at him for faking it. He just shrugged his shoulders on my comment . But maybe he was just worried of running into a higher set as he was 6 stacks down the last day .
So maybe the J9 guy was running bad and smelled nuts again haha.
Haha, yeah could have been that the way I played he thought I could have AJ, Feels unlikely though as he blocks J, Making the most logical hand combo wise for me to have is AK :D.
Tbh, I think this is a bad board to barrel. The flop connects very well with BTN's flat calling range. (Even though it might technically connect with your range better, it still connects with his range).
Even though your turn shove is representing a straight or a set... I wouldn't expect most live players to fold a single pair. I would interpret the "sigh" to be "this is an ugly board... But I have a pair... So I'm calling down."
A lot of live players really don't like folding pairs. If you think there's a strong chance Villain has a good pair, I wouldn't bluff because he's going to call too frequently.
I am not only repping straight or set, I do assume that a 3-bet bet sb range vs a ''wide'' BTN range should contain KTs and maybe QTs aswell? The hand I will most often have here is AK,KQ, and KJ. Hecks if I would 3-bet QTs here I would do the same with JTs aswell. But then again unsure if I would stretch it that far.
I have found the players that wait a couple of seconds then do something that makes them seem upset is generally a false tell, if the reaction is quickly after the bet that is when I find tells hold up best even by semi competent players
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