linear/polar 4b ranges, IP/OOP
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linear/polar 4b ranges, IP/OOP
So. IP I am 3-betting a more polar range in comparison to my more linear range OOP (this is in order to exploit wider calling ranges IP, and folds OOP). This brings me to 4-betting in and OOP.
My understanding is that vs a polar range, we want to be utilizing a linear strategy (and vice versa)? This is in order to exploit wider 3-betting range which consists of more bluffs in comparison to a linear range. When we 4b polar vs a linear 3b we can allow V to take flops, which is going to be good for our polar range, especially IP (meaning our bluffing section of our polar 4b's can potentially continue post flop on certain textures). I assume a polar range is going to be 5-betting AI/folding more, and taking fewer flops vs a 4b. With our linear range, we can then take our top x% hands and find a call vs a 5b AI, and fold our bottom x% hands (V/position dependent).
That being said, I never employ a completely linear/polar 3/4b range - I find it best to utilize a slight mix of both strategies, but generally leaning towards one; position dependent.
Am I correct in saying we should be 4-betting less vs a linear range? (as we will potentially find fewer folds vs a range w/ fewer bluffs).
I have also read some articles based on 4-betting strategy, and have found some that suggest a polar 4-betting range vs polarized 3bs, and linear vs linear. Is this the correct strat? Or, is it simply too V based; obviously I understand our strat depends somewhat on these factors, but does it depend entirely on elements such as how often V folds to 4b's etc. (upon these V dependent factors is how we develop our 4-betting range).
Is this logic correct or am I incorrect in my thought process? Any advice/opinions/thought's would be greatly appreciated, as this is something I am struggling with slightly atm (basically reasons why we should be employing a linear/polar strat vs 3b's).
Cheers.
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I like your questions but to properly answer this would be to outline a full preflop game plan. Its just semantics but a "polarized" 4 bet isn't truly polarized in my opinion in that it will have decent equity Vs a flatting range whether that flatting range is linear or not (even as it allows us to fold to a shove).
"So. IP I am 3-betting a more polar range in comparison to my more linear range OOP"
This is strange.
Also, stack depth should dictate the avenue you should take.
Actually if you look at snowie ranges, for example, it does gravitate towards linear OOP and throws in low suited connectors IP.
why is this strange? do you 3b linear IP, and polar OOP?? Or polar/linear from both? Please elaborate
I don't think it's strange at all. More polar 3bet in BB vs SB than against IP open is super standard, and Pio sims support that too.
3bets OOP seems to be more polar once you put in around 1/6th of stack preflop from what I've seen.
4bet IP should mostly be very polarized with few or no hands from middle of calling range. Maybe playing vs fish is an exception because they almost don't fold and has a low 5bet.
OOP most hands that can continue against 3bet are indifferent between call and 4bet at equilibrium.
Generally use polar ranges preflop when you expect many raises and folds. Generally use linear ranges when you expect fewer folds and don't get put all in often. In other words if you expect to see a lot of flops play more linear and fewer flops play more polarized.
Exactly what I suspected - thanks a lot for your reply, I find it very helpful!
I dont see the benefit of playing a 3B range linear OOP in shallow games. Playing OOP is already tough in it's context so it makes little logical to add more hands to defend OOP in a 3B pot with 100 or less BB.
As the stacks will deepened then yes of course now we will lean toward merged range In and Out of position.
I completely understand about stack sizes affecting our 3b ranges, and I utilize a more merged 3b range when deeper effective stacks are in play as part of my current strategy.
I may have misunderstood your comment (apologies if that's the case) but a few questions -
how do you not see the benefit of using a merged 3b strat OOP? You didn't further define your opinion, but I therefore assume you are polar OOP - surely that can't be working out well vs a wide continuing range (due to positions)? Or if it is, why?
Ofc playing OOP is tough by definition, but I find a merged 3b range from the blinds, especially vs LP opens works with decent success - by exploiting a wide opening range, and by choosing hands that play well OOP vs a potentially wide continuing range vs 3bs no?
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I would say by far the most important factor is position. You will find that it is correct to 4bet SIGNIFICANTLY more out of position than in position. Its very difficult to know exactly what ranges your opponents are 3betting so its best to focus on fundamentals such as position, sizing and HUD stats(frequency) when determining your 4Bet strategy in response to 3Bets.
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