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KQo "scary" turn vs action

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KQo "scary" turn vs action

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (5 Players) UTG: $5.85
CO: $3.15
BN: $4.76
SB: $6.02 (Hero)
BB: $15.44
Villain is 44/5 after 45 hands, at the time the hand took place I had much lower sample + no reads.
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is SB with Q K
UTG folds, CO calls $0.05, BN folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BB folds, CO calls $0.20
Flop ($0.55) K 2 J
Hero bets $0.19, CO calls $0.19
Turn ($0.93) K 2 J T
Hero bets $0.55, CO raises to $2.45, Hero raises to $4.35, CO calls $0.26 and is all in
I doubt he has AQ here, some combos of 2p have hit and Q9.
Since this player looked like a fish I believe he has enough of FD and SD combos to make a call (or a shove) profitable.

However now that I put this through Flopzilla I see he can easily have 42 value combos here with only KQ that I have a draw against: 22,KQs-KTs,Q9s,JTs,KQo-KTo,Q9o,JTo
River ($7.99) K 2 J T 5

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LetEmKnow 4 years, 1 month ago

think you played the hand fine up to the node where villain raises turn cbet then its a question of where are you in your range and if we get to call and play rivers or mostly continue our range as a shove...that i'm not sure about but from a blocker perspective this hand does well blocking straights and potentially KT that a rec might raise with, also unblock potential fds although a passive rec will probably elect to mostly call a turn bet vs raise and get jammed on and have to fold...idk how often you'll get good when you stack off here given everything said, do block their snap calls that are 100% raising turn, unblock some draws that may or may not raise turn...its probably just a fold if they have every offsuit 2p combo and offsuit straight combos in range...basically drawing to a chop against a range that probably contains few bluffs

fightfight 4 years, 1 month ago

seems like an easy hand to check on the turn for me, turn card improves two pairs and draws that pair up, and you can play for a check jam or check call with either equity when called or equity to realize respectively.

not a turn i bet a lot, but curious to see if i'd be wrong.

as played the call off on the turn is probably fine though I'm a bit of a spewer who doesn't know the math for actualy decisions in this regard.

I SEE EQUITY! I CALL

bassdewd 4 years, 1 month ago

We do have some reads, even without the HH. He doesn't have a full stack & open limps. That's a surefire way of knowing he's a fish. Most likely he is a passive fish, rather than an aggro fish.

The adjustments for playing against passive fish, is valuebetting a lot.

I love the 5bb raise. We want to take the betting lead and make him call with worse hands. We're way ahead of his range. 5bb is the perfect sizing imo.

This is a great flop for us. I would like to see a bet that's a lot bigger. There are many hands that can call a bet (and he probably calls too wide incorrectly). We want to extract value from Kx, Jx, straight draws (also gutshots), flush draws. He's not folding any of those to a 40c bet on the flop. He may fold some small pocket pairs, but that's not a disaster. If we make the pot bigger in an early street, we can get exponentially more value on later streets.

The turn continuation bet is good. We have a straight draw to go with our pair and we're still valuebetting against worse hands. When we get raised, alarmbells go off in my mind. People who limp / play passively don't generally raise without a valuehand. Most often they play draws passively too. He could definitely turned two pair. Also, he could have a pair that is scared to get outdrawn. I would not at all be surprised if he shows up with K7 here some of the time. Take that into account when you only assign him valuehands. Sometimes donks do show up with random junk or questionable hands.

I think we're hating life, but not folding the turn. We have a fair amount of equity against a lot of hands. We need a certain amount of equity. Put it in flopzilla and see how you're stacking up. I think folding and jamming are both ok here. You're probably not losing a whole lot if you make the wrong decision here.

I would say focus on valuebetting effectively, rather than difficult situations where the result either way is negligible to your win rate.

MattS 4 years, 1 month ago

Can make a bigger preflop bet.

Bigger flop bet. This is a fun player, let's have fun.

Unless villain is semibluffing, you're in trouble, you're a 3:1 dog against a fishy value range.

zinom1 4 years, 1 month ago

Pre you should iso to around 10BB. This 5BB iso's are standard but are also wrong. turn is a check. Hand is too weak to value bet. As played you should fold. Hand was too weak to even bet in teh first place so after facing a raise yeah just fold.

venatici 4 years, 1 month ago

This is interesting, however if we iso to 10bb and get called does monker advice cbet flop?
Let's say we cbet flop with 1/2 then we have 40bb on the turn already with effective spr ~1:1 and can't really fold this hand anyway? Or am I wrong?

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