KK whats your bottom range here?
Posted by Tomasz K
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Tomasz K
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KK whats your bottom range here?
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players)
BN: $32.81
SB: $22.50
BB: $45.59
UTG: $23.56
MP: $25.00 (Hero)
CO: $25.82
SB: $22.50
BB: $45.59
UTG: $23.56
MP: $25.00 (Hero)
CO: $25.82
Preflop
($0.35)
Hero is MP with
K
K
, , , , , , , , ,
Flop
($82.39)
Q
3
7
Turn
($82.39)
Q
3
7
K
CO:
35/30 3b 13 after 100hands
Button: 29/22/ 3bet overall 10/ open 4b 4.2%
SB: passive fish
What's your bottom shoving range?
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We can shove QQ+ and AK pretty comfortably given all that juicy money in the pot. But I probably wouldn't go any wider than that.
If there's a spot to ever fold KK preflop this could be one of them imo. The action we are facing is absolutely ridiculous. We have 3bet, a cold-4bet and a guy cold-calling the 4bet oop.
Is this some sort of crazy table with some insane dynamic going on? In that case be happy to shovel your chips in but this kind of shit usually only happens at my home-games.
AA? No shoving range and slowplay AA?
I don't really want to shove KK here tbh. I'm even a little bit scared with AA.
What range calls us if we shove here?
Agree with Samu here! Would be quite the headache spot with >160bb for me tho...
@Samu: I hope you don't mind me asking you questions in OP's thread... How would you approach this spot assuming you were deepish with all players? Flatting the 4b just seems so awful, as does folding... small 5b/GII maybe??
^ Scared of disconnects or that V holds AAKKds or what? ;)
Haha was just trying to emphasize how strong the preflop action looks.
If I had AA in this spot I'd wet myself a little bit.
There's already like 14 dollars in the pot which is 56bb, so my approach would be to just shove or fold my range, even if I were deeper (up to 200bb maybe). I don't think there's much room to do anything else unless we're playing with much deeper stacks.
@Kuduku I don't think the situation is as scary as you're describing. CO has his normal 3betting range which can contain whatever, BTN can definitely 4bet AK/QQ and some bluffs maybe, and SB is a passive fish, which means that he can show up with stuff like AQ/TT and who knows, maybe even worse.
Never folding KK because people do weird stuff enough. I'd happily fold QQ/AK though at a normal table. Are there aggro 3b/cold4bet dynamics at 25nl these days?
Oook. I thought we can shove wider than QQ/AK+. It's kinda strange for me, that you think about folding KK :)
Imo it looks like that:
1. CO 3bets - I dont care about that he can do that wider,
2. BTN 4bets - imo he has some bluffs in range 4,1% open 4b it's really big tbh. I'm able to bluff in this spot if I'm button, and my open 4bet stat is ~2%
3. SB cold call is awesome for me, it's fish CS so it's just extra dead money.
That's why I thought about shoving JJ+ because of tons of dead money.
Thanks for comments mates! :)
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