just seems so strong when he shoves like this. if hes super tight already + given positions bets took place, deep stack, timing tells, i might fold if i was playing my best poker i think. but isn't there a taboo about folding KK PF?

MP 3bet Vs EP, CO 4bet, EP jam 170bb. Reg's EP range?

Answer KK+, more often only AA and calling KK. No pot odds even Vs KK+. QQ/AK often just folding Vs this action.

Also not shure do we need 4bet in this situation and positions when MP 3bet Vs EP. Do we have bluffs? In zoom? We need have some bluffs too do it with value.

What about QQ/AK 4bet call Vs MP? I flat calling QQ/AK. So or I call all my range or have enough bluff in 4bet range to do it with KK/AA. But by 4bet and flat calling I am splitting up my range, that makes it obvious. So I prefer just calling all range.

I like 4bet all range QQ/AK+bluff on higher limits and Vs MP who have wide range Vs EP.

I don't think he's ever bluffing here or pushing QQ/AKs, just KK+, I would make a hero fold, in addition you are too deep

You need around 42% if my math is correct. My guess is that he's shoving KK and AA always, and occasionally AKs. You only have like 32% vs that range, so I think it's a gross spot but unless you've seen him stack off on the lighter side pre, prolly just best to fold when playing this deep :-(

Don't fault you for calling tho man, it's a gross spot.

0 chance I fold.

I think folding here probably gives most villains too much credit and presumes that our opponents always play perfectly. Equity wise, he only needs 3 extra combos in addition to AKs, KK, AA for this to be a call. Give him a couple combos of AKo, or a combo of QQ, or KQo, or 98s because he's feeling fishy that day. I mean...you never know ;).

Got to call i think. You'll run into aces the odd few times but at lower stakes you'll get a lot of people shoving with marginals from AJ up.